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I am a Furry

Posted Over 1 Year ago by mariomguy

Always has been, apparently. I've always loved animal characters in fiction, there was always something more interesting and creative about them to me. Then when the pandemic hit last March, Youtube recommended me an interview with Jonah Scott (voice of Legoshi in Beastars) and Fluke, a furry. Of course I loved Beastars, but that video introduced me to a furry and a whole rabbithole of videos by and about furries. Some of them are just normal youtuber videos, but others are about the characters, or the fandom.

Thing is... I still find the sexual stuff creepy, and there is a LOT of creepy stuff out there. But I can see their point. And when the artwork and everything is innocent, it's actually really nice. I spoke with my friend over Skype who already has a preconceived idea of what furry is, and I kind of relayed my POV when I showed him this Google image search:

1 - Search "Dragon"
2 - Search "Cute Dragon"
3 - Search "Cute Furry Dragon"

Just "Dragon" will get you the horrifying monsters that will burn towns in a wake of fire and tear humans and livestock to shreds with all manners of teeth and knife-like claws. "Cute Dragons" will get you little chibi stickers that a 4-year-old girl will have on her lunch box. Pusheen by a different name. But "Cute Furry Dragon" will actually get you legitimate characters. This is what I like. Of course, if you just search "Furry Dragon" you'll get the more adult-oriented intense and creepier versions...

The statistics bother me. 85% of self-identified furries are gay. I AM NOT. Most furries also seem to be nonreligious, but I am very religious. Most furries are very open sexually, and I am very much not that. I feel like there are more people like me who are afraid to admit a preference for animal charters because of the stereotypes that all furries are sex freaks and that's all they like. Surely, even the sex freaks have to take a break some time. And when they do, the character in their artwork and creativity is extraordinary.

When asked if she was a furry, the artist of Litterbox Comics said the term for someone who drew animals when she was growing up was "Cartoonist." Her work is very much pulled from her real life "adventures" of being a mom with two little boys. Tim Weeks, the creator of the video game webcomic Savestate is a furry, but his work is squeaky clean. Seriously, the demon character in his webcomics (which is always played for laughs) was the worst thing he ever did. Or for some people, the commission he made of a gay couple in place for the ballroom dance of Beauty and the Beast. And the team of Part Time Dragons are furries, but their comic work is daily motivational, set very much in the real world with characters replaced with cartoon animals. I gravitate more towards these styles because I find them way more interesting than the human version of the same thing ever could. IDK why, it just is.

Sexually, I'll admit this goes somewhat further than I'm comfortable sharing. But sometimes I do fantasize about what it would be like to live in such a world, or to be something other than human. I like using the eagle example: who wouldn't want to be able to fly high into the sky and zoom your eyes like a camera lens? Birds have a kind of freedom we don't have as humans. I don't always feel this way, but more often the work hits me on a level most people don't feel. It's not just "oh, that's a cute character," it's "wow, being that character and living in that world would be so cool!"

Below is a drawing I made a while ago of a character I made for a college animation class. An alligator named Tyler, the lead guitarist of a punk rock band. Usually a chaotic and fun guy, but here is a rare moment of calm after a long session. I'm going to try drawing more, and open an art account somewhere to post stuff.

I might not be like most furries, at least according to the statistics, but I am definitely a furry.



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Over 1 Year ago
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Thank you so much for sharing this! I realize what a big step it can be to openly state something like this, and I totally support you.

Thanks! Yeah, it definitely feels like something I'm not supposed to be telling people purely because of the stereotypes and misconceptions. When most people hear furries, the two stereotypes that pop into mind are the people who make yiff, and the people who defile their dogs. Not Tim Weeks. Not TheOdd1sOut.

I don't think that you should let the statistics bother you. You have what you personally find interesting or rewarding about this, and that's what matters. This is totally valid and you don't have to let anyone tell you otherwise. This is your thing to determine for yourself.

Exactly! Even among furries, though, there's the notion that EVERYONE is gay, and everyone should be more accepting of the sexual things. Ash Coyote said furries used to be, and still pretty much are the "gay boy's club." Most seem to be very accepting, but it's still their club.

I find it really interesting how furry characters are used a lot as proxies by which to explore the kind of freedom and fantasy and emotional grounding that a person may not be comfortable or able to find elsewhere. Besides the amazing variety of forms and abilities and personalities, there's something about separating what a person is from what a human is that can provide some extra space to consider individuals as truly individual. At least, that's how I think of it.

For some people (not me) having an alias and mask helps them represent the person they truly want to be. Society says you have to be tough and very, very masculine. But if you want to be kinder, softer, more innocent, or something other than human, that's when the suits come into play. A lot of furries are autists and they find socializing easier under an alias than just as themselves. I'm not here for that, but I wouldn't mind trying on a fursuit once just to experience what it's like.

Even if this is the Sexuality forum, you don't have to share more than you're comfortable.

Yeah, I've known for a long time before I knew what being a furry even was, and I don't feel comfortable sharing everything.

I really like Tyler and I look forward to seeing more!

For sure! I want to open an art account somewhere and get feedback from furries... but FA gives me bad vibes, and I don't want to post in a desert.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy
Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I echo CZM on this; glad you feel comfortable enough to
share this here.

I think furry art would get a lot of traction on deviantart -- other types of art don't get as much feedback as they used to, but furry/vg/realistic art still gets a lot of activity.

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

Hey MarioM. Bet it will make you feel better to know that I am openly furry. Have been for over 15 years. I am also not gay (asexual, actually).

The furry community is actually among the most accepting and welcoming you will ever seen. And yes, there IS a lot of sexual content, but no one will ever force that side of it on you. You will find that most furries just want you to be comfortable in your own skin (or fur). As far as furry art communities, I spend a lot of time on SoFurry, but that place has a lot of erotica as well. Inkbunny or DeviantArt might be more down your alley.

Over 1 Year ago
Aurelian
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Over 1 Year ago
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I echo CZM on this; glad you feel comfortable enough to share this here.

Eh, actually figured some guys here might actually be furries. As for everyone else... this probably wouldn't phase them.

I think furry art would get a lot of traction on deviantart -- other types of art don't get as much feedback as they used to, but furry/vg/realistic art still gets a lot of activity.

Hm... I might consider this.

Hey MarioM. Bet it will make you feel better to know that I am openly furry. Have been for over 15 years. I am also not gay (asexual, actually).

Nice! Do you have an art page, or anything I can look up?

The furry community is actually among the most accepting and welcoming you will ever seen. And yes, there IS a lot of sexual content, but no one will ever force that side of it on you.

Um, so every now and then I hop on Beta's stream, and his chat gets quite up there at times. He even calls it out himself. Even if it's not "forced" on you... it's always THERE. I wish there was a place where it just wasn't.

I have a question for you: most furries name themselves and fursonas in the same light. The alias and 'sona is SO important. But then Tim Weeks just uses his literal name, and his characters are definitely not his 'sona. I find myself in the category of not wanting to use my real name, but also not wanting to use a "sona" name... any suggestions or advice in this regard?

Inkbunny or DeviantArt might be more down your alley.

DA is classic. I might stick with DA.

You also might want to consider Tumblr, though I haven't been on there in years and I'm not sure what the community is like. Last I heard, they didn't accept NSFW content anymore.

I find it weird you can't comment on anything in Tumblr. I don't think that's for me.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I don't know who Beta is, but he is just one individual. He doesn't represent the community as a hole.

As far as fursonas and naming goes, I never really had a fursona, since I am not one for role playing. I don't do art (can't draw to save my life), but I have done some writing. My main character I used to write about is a quadruped wolf named "Roquivo". I don't even remember where I got that from, honestly. I think I just made it up. The Roquivo character was never really fleshed out, and I don't see him as representing me.

The character concept I have in my heart that I want to explore is a yet-to-be-named half wolf half cheetah. I believe THAT would be my fursona once built up and giving a background. And yes, I have no idea how to make a half canine half feline character work.

Over 1 Year ago
Aurelian
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I don't know who Beta is, but he is just one individual. He doesn't represent the community as a hole.

BetaEtaDelota? He's one of the most popular furry youtubers. Funnily enough, he is gay, but was raised Catholic and joined a college sorority. He's not really in it for the sexual content, but his chat sure is.

As far as fursonas and naming goes, I never really had a fursona, since I am not one for role playing.

I think this is why cartoonists distinguish themselves from their characters, but they always advertise their own names as professionals, or use the names of their web series. Joining a DA account, I need an alias. And I would like to separate the furry stuff from my professional work.

The character concept I have in my heart that I want to explore is a yet-to-be-named half wolf half cheetah. I believe THAT would be my fursona once built up and giving a background. And yes, I have no idea how to make a half canine half feline character work.

Foxes are dog hardware with cat software. Tirox is a fox-tiger hybrid. If you look around you can see examples that have already worked. I imagine dog ears on a cheetah head would work, but with a big dog tongue, and more dog mannerisms. The design of the character is not the only thing that shines through, the behavior does as well. His behavior can flip back and forth: sometimes a dog, sometimes a cheetah. Depends on the situation.

I don't consider myself a furry, but I associate with a lot of people who do, especially the gfur and hfur communities on 4chan and rule34. I have found the kind of freedom I mentioned earlier to be very rewarding for me, and I can be openly sexual about it under the right circumstances. I don't particularly have an interest in fursuits, though. Just the art.


...So, you're into the sexual stuff? I find most of it very off-putting. One big NOPE all over that.

You might just have to settle for using an artist alias. I see a lot of people, even those that just doodle for forum requests, using an artist alias to keep their IRL identity and sona safe while still being recognized as a furry artist.

I'll think of something. Some of my favorite guys do that: Super-Tuler and edtropolis. Their names don't really mean anything, it's just a name.

I thought that you could, but maybe they changed it recently? That kinda sucks if they did.

Whenever I browsed Tumblr, I couldn't see any comments. Do you have to log in to see them?

Over 1 Year ago
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I will keep this in mind and I will respect this boundary in the future.

There is something I'm into, but even though it's not an adult thing, I really don't feel comfortable discussing it.

Over 1 Year ago
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Thank you. I am willing to discuss anything else, though!

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I do not sense the appeal of furrydom as a sexual kink.
To me it makes better sense as cosplay.
OTOH even colorblind people can know color exists; they just can’t experience it themselves.

........

In other news who likes Savage Dragon and Lovebunny and Mr. Hell?

Over 1 Year ago
chiarizio
 

The fandom is more than just costumes or sex. There are artists, writers, musicians, and youtubers who create and share regular content. And it's definitely NOT sexual for everyone. For a very small portion of people it is...

But search anything furry-related and you'll find hordes of kinks, which seem to be a lot more frequent. According to my friend, even the purely non-sexual stuff tends to look coy. The core of the fandom is an appreciation for anthro animals, but in practice it really extends the designs and fiction popularized by Disney and children's shows to make it more adult. For some, that requires nothing different than what you see in Sunday newspaper comics. For others... well, the rabbit hole goes very VERY deep.



Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

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Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

While it's different for each person, as a whole the fandom is definitely more than just cosplay and cartooning. There is some sort of physical attraction involved, and that's where things start to get weird. Some furries will definitely try to downplay and deny this, especially if they're getting popular and find themselves reaching a general audience, and coming to actually represent the fandom. But if you compare furry art to professional work or non-sexual fanart of other shows, you'll notice a clear difference in the quality, purpose, and execution. Furry art is more tangible, more vital than anything else. Furries aren't just fans. They don't just want to draw stuff to sell to consumers. They want to actually BE their fursonas and live those experiences in the worlds with the characters they created. So furry artists put a lot of themselves, their passions, and yeah, even their kinks into their work, and all the details and effort goes into making that life more believable and better for them.

The generic answer furries always give is "it's not about sex." Some say not everyone's into the sex. Some might even say those who think it's not about sex aren't saying the full story. But no one's really been able to put that full story into words. I think the full story is it's all about sex and MORE. I think it's a physical attraction to the experiences we can't have as humans.

Over 1 Year ago
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Well... here's a piece from one of my favorite artists, PandaPaco:



Is this 100% clean? Yes! Is this in any way sexual? NO! But there's clearly something else going on here that makes it definitely furry art as opposed to, say, a sleepover scene from a show like Arthur, or fanart of a couple anime kids. Where professionals might focus on the plot of the story or the structural concept for production, and fanart might just draw their favorite characters, this one is really reveling in the details specific to this moment as it would play out. One character, shorter and probably younger, is covering under the blanket, holding a stuffed animal for comfort. His overall expression and demeanor is joyful, but with just a tinge of reservation and fear. The other one, older, with a flashlight, appears to be telling a scary story (and... the artist also says so in the description). He appears slightly more confident and less afraid. This little slice of life, this moment represents, to the artist, an ideal life he wants to live. This tends to be much more the norm with furries - the art isn't depicting reality, but the world and characters they like to see. In many cases, the people they'd like to be.

The artist himself is no longer a child, but I sense a real longing for (or appreciation of) childlike innocence, activities, and creativity. That time in our life when we don't have the worries of adults or the world weighing on our minds. When our friends were the most important people in our lives, and things like scary stories became our worst nightmares. But nothing is threatening here. Everything warm and comforting and inviting. Even the younger child who's supposed to be scared is genuinely enjoying it. This artist is drawing what he WANTS to feel, the moment he WANTS to live, and everything is the way he wants it to be. As a result we're not just getting a drawing, but a glimpse into his soul.

Furry art is more pure, more raw, more intense, and much more personal and powerful and meaningful than any other kind of art I've seen. Adults can't be like this in the real world. But the furry fandom allows them to live out those desires. Panda Paco has 1,800 drawings on DeviantArt, and they're all like this.
https://www.deviantart.com/pandapaco/gallery

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I'm really proud of everyone in this thread. I don't think I lean towards furry-anything but this isn't about me.

Yay for expressing selves and supporting each other!

Over 1 Year ago
Tek Shmansen

What do you think of Conker's bad fur day?

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

What do you think of Conker's bad fur day?

Ugh. Haven't played the game for feedback on gameplay, but the whole thing is just vulgar. Vulgarity is not my thing, sorry.

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Over 1 Year ago
tnu

I'm really proud of everyone in this thread. I don't think I lean towards furry-anything but this isn't about me.


Yay for expressing selves and supporting each other!

Response has been pretty positive! But God damn if you're OK with durability in BoTW. That is more controversial than this entire thread.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I meant more Rare's 90s and 00s art style in general. Conkers is easily the best looking n64 game by far.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

If anthropomorphic animals are called "furry", then what would you call a large breasted sunflower character, a leafy? ;)

Over 1 Year ago
Aurelian
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Here are my thoughts on other game series... I guess from a furry perspective, along with some fanart:


Pokemon - I could write a SERIES of books on what Pokemon has done for furries, and what I personally like about the world and its characters. The show is all about friendships and relationships with basically intelligent animals, which are all very unique with their own personalities. And everyone is doing Pokemon fanart, there is no shortage of it. The sheer breadth of scope and diversity of the series is extraordinary. And they're all very cute. It's really the diversity that sets Pokemon apart from the rest: not only do you have a cast of hundreds of unique and cute animal characters, but the show and games really promote these differences. The darker, edgier Pokemon haunting mansions, the more serious fighting types, or the Pokemon that are shy and afraid of everything and the ones that are just, well, cute. It's very easy to string stories and put together situations where different kinds of Pokemon have to interact, and it's a very positive feedback loop.


Starfox - My own headcanon is better than what Nintendo gives us. Nintendo just doesn't use this franchise for anything good. The new games are always underwhelming. A Starfox AAA game that took advantage of these characters and expanded the universe would've been perfect. Or at least a cartoon on Netflix, or something. But we never got that. I wish the gameplay allowed us to actually see the characters more. Combining on-foot missions with vehicles, being able to call an arwing at any time, I think there is a really good game in that they haven't tried (at least, not since Starfox Assault). So furries love it because Fox looks great in the promotional material and Smash Bros, and Krystal... but Krystal doesn't do it for me. There needs to be a good story, or something more than a sex appeal character from an awkward game 20 years ago and a character model in Smash Bros.


Ratchet and Clank - Yeah, Ratchet looks great. Yeah, the new character looks great as well... But when I played the games, his personality was kind of, eh? Left more to be desired. The visuals are Insomniac at their best. But like anything else, they don't go far enough to develop the characters into anything. Incredible quality, visually, but personality-wise he's just a stand-in. Maybe that's why he's so loved? People can envision Ratchet as being anything from a serious hunter to a whacky cartoon character and it all works because the games don't really decide one way or the other.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I meant more Rare's 90s and 00s art style in general. Conkers is easily the best looking n64 game by far.

Oh, yeah, those days were the best! I keep thinking back to the style of Disney, Dragon Tales, and Paper Mario. Mushu from Mulan, Lilo and Stitch, Don Bluth, especially The Secret of NiMH, etc. For a lot of furries it started with the Lion King, but with me I think it was more Pokemon. There was definitely a certain timeframe when "furry art" was extremely popular in fiction. Practically a prerequisite for PBS. And then it just fell out of fashion. Nowadays, while the furry style is far less noticeable in general, when you do notice it, it tends to be a diamond. Zootopia, Ducktales, Beastars. There seems to be an active push in Disney to get away from that, but you just can't. Animals bring so much more character to the table than if everything was just generic.

But Conker specifically... it was a very good technical showcase on the N64. But the game was just vulgar. I like the creativity, the character, the sensuality behind things. When you make it vulgar, it's a turn-off. I was also very young when it released, so there's good reason why I never picked it up.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

As it happens, I'm a furry myself. I have been all my life; a lot of my imaginary friends as a kid were basically furry characters, and to this day furry characters still rank among my favorites. (I also happen to be gay, for the record.)

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I didn't know a person could be a "non-sexual" furry. If that's really a thing then I guess I'm a furry too. It comes with being an artist, liking Rare, liking pokemon, liking lion king and other disney movies. I enjoy that art style and anime. Occasionally there will be a really well drawn bunny girl I feel something for, but the main turn off is the hairy body and the non-human facial structure. I'm just not attracted to it. I would prefer, say, a Viera girl like Fran from FF12 or Gijinkas. These days I'm more into near-human aliens.

Over 1 Year ago
IKM

As it happens, I'm a furry myself. I have been all my life; a lot of my imaginary friends as a kid were basically furry characters, and to this day furry characters still rank among my favorites.

:) A healthy imagination is good for children. I had a VERY active imagination back then, imagining entire worlds, characters, and storylines. But I kept it all to myself and didn't really pursue an outlet for it.

(I also happen to be gay, for the record.)

:( I'm glad you're forthcoming and honest about it, but it just makes me feel weirder. Being gay is so common amongst furries.

I had one imaginary friend as a kid. He was a big stuffed rabbit. I'm not sure if it's connected to how I feel about furry art or my orientation nowadays, but maybe.

I don't think so. Children tend to have active imaginations and are more expressive/exploratory than adults. They're more curious about the new things they see and are more imaginative, that part's natural. If you find yourself attracted to furry characters as a adult, I'm not sure if it's nature vs. nurture. Over time people lose that creativity and curiosity and just put up a wall. I really don't think the wall is healthy, nor losing that side completely. People like Jim Henson, Walt Disney, and Mr. Rogers showed how keeping that imagination open through adulthood can be incredibly positive, constructive, healthy, and useful.

I had a conversation with my friend who said that's just how teenagers are - You can't watch adult stuff for your entire childhood, so teenagers become infatuated with the adult stuff and completely throw away their childhood. Then as an adult, life gets boring, and you want something fun. It's an interesting theory that I think resonates with people. But I don't think that's the whole story.

Despite the numbers, I don't think there's a link between sexual orientation and appreciation for anthro characters. I think it's more about openness and honesty. The adults I met in my life who were normal and healthy and had kids didn't shut this side out. But the ones who looked down and put up a wall have issues of their own. Society plays a role, too. Japan has no cultural condemnation for cute cartoon characters, and you see them advertising even their military with Sanrio mascots. But the United States, for a certain time, prescribed all cartoons to children, and the concept of a primetime animated show for adults did not even exist (and when it did, it was satire or adult humor, not really an advancement of creativity or imagination). In other words... I think everyone is at least a little bit furry. They just don't want to admit it. If sexuality is not binary, and gender is not binary, then furry shouldn't be binary either. Pretty much everyone on the planet is "I'm not furry, BUT..." about something.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I didn't know a person could be a "non-sexual" furry.

cough*cough*

If that's really a thing then I guess I'm a furry too. It comes with being an artist, liking Rare, liking pokemon, liking lion king and other disney movies. I enjoy that art style and anime.

I feel this is universal. The Disney-Pixar style is very appealing. Something Nintendo does as well.

Occasionally there will be a really well drawn bunny girl I feel something for, but the main turn off is the hairy body and the non-human facial structure. I'm just not attracted to it.

*shudders* I think that's a turnoff for a lot of people. Nobody likes "realistic X."

I would prefer, say, a Viera girl like Fran from FF12 or Gijinkas. These days I'm more into near-human aliens.

Well, Fran is more playboy bunny than furry. Gijinkas are like a stepping stone between Japanese schoolgirl anime and furry, on the fence, but they're not quite there, yet. I've designed plenty of characters as multicolored alien cartoon humanoids. I'm not sure what to call it, but it certainly isn't furry, and they certainly aren't humans.

If a game has a cute non-human character, that's what I tend to gravitate towards.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

@Aurelian:
If anthropomorphic animals are called "furry", then what would you call a large breasted sunflower character, a leafy? ;)

Or would you call a busty feminine-featured anthropomorphic mushroom a moldy?

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Over 1 Year ago
chiarizio
 

If anthropomorphic animals are called "furry", then what would you call a large breasted sunflower character, a leafy? ;)

This is not a thing. *checks internet* Dendrophilia.

Or would you call a busty feminine-featured anthropomorphic mushroom a moldy?

This is not a thing. *ponders for a sec* Fungi.

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I don't particularly have a problem with realistic anthros. I probably don't like something that's at the furthest extreme of realism, but I think that I actually lean more towards realistic than stylized when it comes to anthros. I like the weight, the detail, the vitality, the verisimilitude.

I need to see an example of what you like.
https://www.deviantart.com/kenket/gallery
This guy, kenket, really plays with the style everywhere between realistic animals to Pokemon, and he's done plenty of foxes. All the examples below are foxes he's done... and the last one is definitely not.

Animal - Not furry... just an animal
Safari, zoo, the actual real world.


Realistic - Human proportions/clothes. Basically a human with fur/scales and an animal head.
Beastars


Character - Proportions tweaked for style, but not a cartoon yet. The goal of most furries.
The Secret of NiMH


Funny Animal - Exaggerated shapes and proportions while still conveying sense of the creature. Typical of most cartoons.
Pokemon (lower end), Looney Toons, classic and renaissance Disney (higher end)



Chibi - Expressions exaggerated to extremes.
Aggretsuko (low end), Garfield (higher end)


Minimalism - Vaguest possible form of an idea (WHY)
Corporate logos


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"This is not a thing. *ponders for a sec* Fungi."

Toadette is definitely a thing!



And that is one of the less explicit ones, out of respect for MarioM.

Over 1 Year ago
Aurelian
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*Gags*

No... no thank you... no.

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No, not into that. I like the cute stuff.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

@Black Yoshi

Would you like to share your account, if you have one? If there is an artist here, I'd love to get feedback. Have to go through a waiting period on DA before I can open up a new account.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

What’s the difference between Furry and Otherkin?

Over 1 Year ago
chiarizio
 

Oh God. Otherkin believe they ARE animals. Furries would love to be their fursonas, but recognize it's all fiction. Their fursona might be a representation of their ideal self, the personality they want to have, and the kind of character they'd want to be, or what they hope to see themselves as. I kid you not, Dunquense University Assistant Professor Dr. Elizabeth Fein has done incredible studies on this, funded by the Canadian Government, and they found out there are many aspects of the furry fandom and wearing fursuits actually fixes a lot of the problems autistic people have with socializing (linked video of that below). But Otherkin feel they are fundamentally more animal than human. So where furries identify with their species by personal likes/dislikes with the style, Otherkin are more sure to say they aren't human.

There might be overlap... I've heard some conversations certain furries identify with their species... but this is rare.



Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

So it’s like the difference between transvestite and transgender? Sort of?

Over 1 Year ago
chiarizio
 

I'm not an expert on Otherkin, but the prevailing difference seems to be if you have a wolf fursona, you're a furry. If you think you are a wolf, you're Otherkin.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

So, the video I posted a couple replies above mentioned a few reasons why the fandom is great for people who are autistic:

- Common areas of interest - easy to find things to talk about
- Removes social pressure - a shield
- Community is largely open and accepting - less fear to join
- Tones down physical stimuli - fursuits dampen sensation of touch and sound. Helps autistic people enjoy things like hugging, which would freak them out outside of the suit

I've never attended a convention before, but I think that would be cool. I guess I'll start with the art and go from there.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

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Over 1 Year ago
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Closest convention to me is Megaplex in Orlando. 2hr drive. Some out-of-towners said it was a smaller con, but one of the best ones they've been to. They're one of the at-risk cons, though, because they are contractually obligated to have a convention despite COVID, and it seems a lot of people really don't want to attend. That would suck.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

Sorry about the con you went to... how bad was it?

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

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Over 1 Year ago
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That post triggered me. I hear it when I don't get things perfect in my job, but then people go and do things like that. WOW.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

Black Yoshi! If you're there, I'd really like to talk about the fandom with you, and your involvement. Not sure if you want this to be public...

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

Black Yoshi! If you're there, I'd really like to talk about the fandom with you, and your involvement. Not sure if you want this to be public...


@mariomguy: Sure. Hit me up on Discord sometime. We can talk in the gtx0 server or in DMs, it matters not to me.

Over 1 Year ago
Black Yoshi

I tried joining Discord, but I keep getting pushed back. I'll keep trying.

If you're open to sharing more about you're experience, I'd genuinely like to hear it.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

OK! I can find your replies in discord, but I can't DM you... how do I do that?

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

I got your friend request and sent you a message.

Over 1 Year ago
Black Yoshi

So what's the difference between a brony and someone who watched two episodes of MLP?

To recontextualize, what's the difference between a guy that likes games with furry characters (Star Fox, Ratchet) and a furry?

Over 1 Year ago
Madethistocomment

There's a certain threshold to considering yourself a Brony, but it's not agreed upon by any means. My opinion, if you really know the series, the characters, the stories, you know the flaws and nuance of the show, then you're def a Brony. Whereas if you only saw a couple episodes, you can't really converse about it much. The show is all about exposing the nuance of friendships and relationships. You can't really discuss that in the context of the show seeing only a couple episodes.

If you like Starfox, Ratchet, Beastars, etc. that doesn't automatically make you a furry. In contrast, there are famous furries that really don't like those series (unpopular opinion). Most furries say all you need to do to be a furry is... call yourself one. But that's unsatisfying. There are some very common attributes:

- Have a fursona, an anthro character they identify with
- Love anthro art and media in general, or are artists/hobbyists themselves
- "Wear your heart on your sleeve"
- Open and accepting of others and their weirdness

And the community itself has some interesting demographics:

- LGBT overrepresented (20% are strait, 8% are ace)
- Autism overrepresented (10-15% austistic)
- Predominantly white
- Peak age group mid 20s, but spans all ages.
- Tend to be introverted
- Tend to be gamers, tend to be techhies, enjoy tabletop games, etc.

Common misconceptions, however:

- Not all sex freaks! Though many are "into" things, like paws, some are more accepted generally than others. And everything NSFW is very clearly labeled as NSFW. Anime fans seem to be more into NSFW and sexual content than furries, according to some polls. But furries are almost contractually obligated to be generally accepting of these things. Not everyone is into everything, but many are into something, and no one wants to be made fun of it. Sex and kinks are a very private matter, it does not get discussed in the open. One furry told me furries are into sexual stuff the same way adults are into sexual stuff. Another was really uncomfortable about discussing it. The community as a whole is definitely 100% not a sex thing, and if you join with that mentality you're going to make people very, very uncomfortable.

- No more common than general population to suffer anxiety/depression or any psychological disorders. Only Asperger's syndrome/autism and introversion are overrepresented. Many report socializing much better after joining the fandom.

- Beastiality is not only discouraged, but will get you banned from conventions, online, and you'll face the ultimate backlash from the entire community, which will gang up on you and eviscerate you. Furries love, appreciate, and respect animals, and they donate to wildlife organizations. The thought of defiling an animal isn't just "weird," it's the ultimate disrespect. Furries tolerate a lot, but this is very much a no-tolerance policy.

- Furries consider themselves weird, but fine in their weirdness. So calling a furry weird doesn't come across as an insult. While it's not happening as much anymore, furries expect hate comments from people outside the fandom. If you insult furries just for being furries or weird, it's more like a trope.

- Not everyone wears fursuits. They are EXPENSIVE, delicate, and difficult to repair. Those that do own suits don't wear them every day. They get hot and they're difficult to clean. Suit wearing is kept to a minimum, only at conventions and meetups in very small bursts for both the safety of the suiter and the suit itself.

- Not all suits were made for sex. Some people DO own mursuits made for this purpose... but that's obviously a tiny faction of the community I am not involved in. Some mursuiters have complained the suits are too hot to do anything in and also feel guilty about it. So the impression people love to have sex in the suits is quite the opposite: few have ever tried, and those that have hated it.

- Furries do not believe they are part animal. Some may joke about it, wolves howling, etc. but it's more a curiosity/fascination with anthro characters and creativity than an actual personal identity (also... stuff like that does annoy people). It's a personal identity to some indeed more than others, but they're all humans. Your fursona is kind of like your personal avatar, the character you'd love to be playing a video game, not the actual person you are right now. Otherkins believe they actually are part animal, there's a distinction.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

There's a lot to read here and I don't have the spoons. But if you're into dragons/lizards/etc. You're a scaley not a furry.

Over 1 Year ago
Ratatoskr
Bringing about Ragnarok since 500BCE

Tomato tomahto. Furry is catch-all, scalie is more specific. People aren't really calling themselves scalies these days, even if they do prefer reptiles. The segmentation isn't necessary.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

So what's the difference between a brony and someone who watched two episodes of MLP?


A brony is a male hardcore fan of MLP. It depends on how caught up you get. Do you watch the show and imagine yourself as a character in that universe? Are you fascinated by aspects of how the in-show culture works, or do you just like the storylines?



To recontextualize, what's the difference between a guy that likes games with furry characters (Star Fox, Ratchet) and a furry?


Same thing, how caught up and immersed do you get? Do you play the game because it has good gameplay and mechanics, or are you more fascinated by the universe and characters? I am definitely a furry, but I am mostly drawn to the Pokemon universe. I also am stuck on the universe of The Lion King.

Over 1 Year ago
Aurelian
Fire Lion
Thunder Lion

Aurelian, you can add me on Discord

Sotalo#3769

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

Friend request sent, MarioM

Over 1 Year ago
Aurelian
Fire Lion
Thunder Lion

Thanks! BTW, if you live in Florida, I know a group you can join to meet and chat with people. I also have a DA.

Over 1 Year ago
mariomguy

Beastiality is not only discouraged, but will get you banned from conventions, online, and you'll face the ultimate backlash from the entire community, which will gang up on you and eviscerate you. Furries love, appreciate, and respect animals, and they donate to wildlife organizations. The thought of defiling an animal isn't just "weird," it's the ultimate disrespect. Furries tolerate a lot, but this is very much a no-tolerance policy.


There's a distinction between furries, zoophiles and those who practice bestiality. However, there is overlap in my experience. In most of the communities that I'm in, there are many furries that are accepting of zoophilia (and zoophiles that are accepting of furries). It is less common for furries and zoophiles to accept the practice of bestiality, though some do. Saying that furries as a whole will eviscerate you for bestiality is not true, in my experience. It's definitely not widely accepted.

Over 1 Year ago
Nulll

Isn't zoophilia and bestiality the same thing

Over 1 Year ago
No Name

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Over 1 Year ago
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The suffix "philia" causes a lot of confusion. It literally means "to be sexually attracted to". The confusion comes from the concept of "pedophilia" being "illegal". This is not the case. You can not be charged for any "philia", Pedo- or otherwise, since you can't outlaw a thought or emotion. Acting on some philias, such as pedo, zoo(animals), or necro(dead bodies), is highly illegal, though. Thankfully, about 95% of the people on the "philia" spectrum are strong willed enough to not need to act on those feelings.

So, to answer your question, "zoophilia", also called "zoosexuality" is the sexual attraction to animals. "Bestiality" is the actual act of having sexual relations with an animal. Oh, and BTW, "sexual relations" refers to making contact in a way meant to derive sexual pleasure. Not all instances of contact with genetalia equals bestiality. If the contact is made for medical reasons, grooming, or even accidentally, you are not comitting bestiality.

Over 1 Year ago
Aurelian
Fire Lion
Thunder Lion

agro m - I'm tagging your posts for degrading / threatening another user.

Repeat and you get a cooldown ban

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

agro m


No, you won't. You will accept that people that fall outside of your particular arbitrary definition of what is acceptable exist, and you will acknowledge that this particular person is just as much a member of this community as you are, and you will accept that you do not have authority in this situation. I am not telling you this because of a desire to exercise my non-existent power; I am telling you this because it is the heathiest thing for you to do for yourself as well as this community overall.

Do not bring this L nerd mindset into my forum. You are creating a situation where the only person whose feelings are getting hurt are yours.

11 Months ago
galbraith

Agro m2, I gave you a cooldown ban and tagged your post for continuing to degrade another user after being warned.

11 Months ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

Mariomguy hasn't been here in a while and has no intentions of ever coming back, so whatever this agro person posted was probably even more pointless than it already was.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

@agro3 You were warned on gtx0, so please be respectful. Your conduct won't be allowed under III B either, here. Please follow the rules or there will be consequences.

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11 Months ago
Lord Denida

agro 4:

This thread has had a kind, positive atmosphere.

Neither Denida and I are furries, but members of this community are. These particular users have not suggested anything of a “grotesque” nature. They have talked about a social phenomenon and sexual kink, which is perfectly valid in this forum.

No one here has said anything rude or disgusting, except for you.

If you want to have an actual discussion / debate about kinks and what you find offensive, where you may be open to having a rational discussion about it, please leverage the Hot Takes forum. And be aware, you will be expected to remain civil.

But please do not continually bump this thread just to kink-shame users who have done nothing wrong.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

@Grey and Galbraith; I tagged yours as well. You can take it up in Hot Topics as WO said.

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11 Months ago
Lord Denida

Thank y'all for taking care of this, and an additional special thank you for recognizing the distinction between the subculture and the fetish. Though the fetish is not inherently wrong either, the things are often misrepresented in one way or another.

11 Months ago
galbraith

Thank y'all for taking care of this, and an additional special thank you for recognizing the distinction between the subculture and the fetish. Though the fetish is not inherently wrong either, the things are often misrepresented in one way or another.

Agreed.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

You got it.

I don’t see anything wrong with either the subculture or the fetish.

Got a problem with the minority of furries that have organized cons where there was vandalism and harassment, but I don’t think they represent the furry community.

It’s just like any other social or sexual interest. Nothing generally wrong with it.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

It is named GT FOR ALL here for a reason, there has to be room for everyone.

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11 Months ago
Lord Denida

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