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Israel and Palestine are at it again

Posted Over 1 Year ago by ShadowFox08

As the constant aggressors of illegal forced evictions and taking land from Palestinians, af Israel knows what the outcome of that will be--which is Israeli forces and Hamas firing rockets at each other, why do they keep doing it?

what's the point of peace treaties, when the government of Israel clearly DOES NOT care about Palestine and Palestinians, and will take everything until there is nothing left.

Netanyahu needs to be thrown out and U.s. along with Canada, Great Britain, France and European countries need to grow a backbone and stop supporting Israel financially and start sanctioning them for apartheid, ethnic cleansing and other human rights violations.
It's incredible that 3.8 billion in U.S. tax payer money goes to Israel every year, with most to bolster their military. what for? and what about aiding Palestinian people?

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Israel also just had targeted air strikes on Associated Press and Al Jazeera buildings in Gaza. They attacked the press. news for Palestinians

But hey.. all we get from moderates and right wingers are "Israel has the right to defend itself." But not Palestinians.

Over 1 Year ago
ShadowFox08

This title is misleading because it implies this is a two-way fight. Israel is an increasingly far-right government that has spent decade indoctrinating its population with propaganda, so successful that even many in Europe and the US take them at face value. (For example, they claimed Hamas fired rockets while posting video evidence that was three years old to justify this current action.) And the most successful thing Israel has ever done has been to use "Hamas" so loosely to associate with "terrorism" that literally anything they bomb, they can say it's "Hamas," which it might not even be that, but because Hamas is soooo broad and wide in its scope that they can bomb a hospital, a school, or a publisher, and say it was "Hamas" and therefore they had every right to bomb it.

And we know it's not just about the "right to defend yourself" because A) no one who says that *ever* extends that right to Palestinians and B) because they've effectively used this latest action to deliberately kick out Arabs out of their homes regardless of anything while also citizens attack and harass Arab Israelis as well and C) airstrikes on civilian buildings and bombing children and families who have nothing to do with anything isn't "self-defense. People act disgusted if a Palestinian group rockets an Israeli building, but then not only support Israel doing the exact same - literally want us to spend money so Israel can do it.

This is not a "both sides" issue at this point. There is clearly one side that has been enacting the majority of violence and aggression, and has been continuously successful with it. And no one can argue "both sides are bad" while we maintain a policy of enabling Israel, giving them billions of dollars worth of military aid so they can bomb civilians and push anti-democratic and racist propaganda. If "right to self-defense" should apply to anyone at this point, it's Palestinians. Call me when Palestine starts forcing Israelis out of their home to steal their land to the point where Israelis have next to nothing and nowhere to go.

Over 1 Year ago
Jet Presto

This is not a "both sides" issue at this point.

It might be helpful to encourage people to think about it this way: There is only one side that actually has any power to change anything about the current situation.

"Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it."

- Noam Chomsky

Over 1 Year ago
pacman

By my topic title, I meant both are attacking each other.. But Palestine of course is fighting in self defense from the illegal occupation By ISrael. Sorry about that. I personally fully supporting Palestine. I don't support Hamas and IDF killing innocent people on either side, and wish Hamas could avoid that at least. But man.. palestine as we know it is fucked either way unless we get the superpowers to sanction Israel.

We just got that cease fire, but its just temporary b.s of course.. And I haven't heard good things about the new PM. Heard he is a racist POS.

Over 1 Year ago
ShadowFox08

What's happening there lately?

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

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Over 1 Year ago
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I am having a hard time figuring out why I should care about Israel or Palestine


Must be the male privilege confusing you.

Over 1 Year ago
Q
 

I am having a hard time figuring out why I should care about Israel or Palestine.

Even from a purely selfish standpoint, because a lot of our tax dollars go to Israel. Also worth paying attention to the IDF's actions and tactics because American police are trained by them.

Over 1 Year ago
pacman

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Over 1 Year ago
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When will the US figure out we don't belong in the Middle East?

Agreed. Our desperation for geopolitical power will be our downfall. It is an endless void on which we waste money, resources and human ingenuity, on top of destabilizing entire societies.

Plus, there's no moral high ground here. If you're so concerned with human rights, why haven't you stepped to Venezuela, China, North Korea, or the Central American countries that routinely kill their own?

Because we aren't directly funding those countries and their militaries. In fact we constantly saber-rattle with them. Also Saudi Arabia is worse than any of those save for maybe DPRK, though DPRK's situation at least somewhat explains its weirdness and authoritarianism.

I do oppose permanent normal trade relations with China though, but that ship sailed a long time ago.

Over 1 Year ago
pacman

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Plus, there's no moral high ground here. If you're so concerned with human rights


Oh no, I'm pretty convinced that our whole presence in the middle east is geopolitical control, with "human rights violations" being used as justification for war to Congress/the UN.

Israel could shit stomp the entire middle east without our help or our money.


They did literally that during the six day war.

They're a worthless ally and we're funding them for no reason.


I guess it makes sense from a geopolitical perspective, having a permanent democratic ally in the middle east.

As for the actual long-running disputes there, idk the more I research the history of it the more complicated it is.

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

Why do we need Israel as our ally?


Why do we need to make them an enemy?

mala, El Salvador and Mexico refuse to take back their cholos


Imagine being so racist that you refer to people from several different countries with the same derogatory term.

Over 1 Year ago
Q
 

Why do we need to make them an enemy?

Tbf, the United States is faaaar from making Israel an "enemy". I mean, we've sanctioned Venezuela for less. We've sanctioned Russia for less. We've sanctioned Iran (as well as killed their top military officer) for less. In this context, it would not at all seem unfair if we were to sanction Israel.

Imagine being so racist that you refer to people from several different countries with the same derogatory term.

This is a fair point lol, though I suppose you could replace "racist" with "xenophobic" if you're being nitpicky.

Over 1 Year ago
pacman

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Over 1 Year ago
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How is it racist if they're criminals and gangsters affiliated with Ms-13? They're so undesirable that their own countries don't want them.


You’re a trump supporter aren’t you?

Honestly, if stopping them from sucking America's tits makes them an enemy, then so be it.


Yes let’s make another enemy in the Middle East.

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