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Meta-Chronology and Pivot Eons

Posted Over 15 Years ago by Xhin

[unparsed]Hi all. My current project is what I call [i:3d7f18efad]metachronology[/i:3d7f18efad] -- a timeline which explains events that happen over very long periods of time and have earthshaking consequences. In other words, I'm explaining the very process by which one of my conworlds became another one.

The deal with metachronology is that because such a long period of time takes place in between the two eras, the worlds can be (and understandably are) completely different. Currently, I'm attributing the unusual form of the Ljene system, the rise of shadow spirits, and various natural law changes to a soon-to-be-released-here long article on Planetmakers.

How many of you have tried to link your conworlds together (or possibly earth) as one world, seperated by a vast stretch of time, rather than space?

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[unparsed]actually, almost all of my conworlds are, essentially, linked by a thin, often very long thread. sometimes, they even coexist. for example, my most developed conworld, Arteran, also exists with a number of other conworlds; to its north, there lies a stereotypical fantasy world (which I have abandoned for now until i can make it less "Tolkien-like").

they are "connected" (they discover each other) when the "savior-like figure person" from the fantasy world rids of the Great Evil Empire and helps Arteran (yeah, its kind of typical, but oh well).

this is all because all my conworlds take place on earth, or the distant future of earth.

Over 15 Years ago
cybrxkhan
 

[unparsed]I'm debating doing something like that with Axis and another planet....

Over 15 Years ago
Rin

[unparsed]I thought meta chronology was explaining the cause-and-effect chain of time travel through the eyes of the time traveler.

Over 15 Years ago
bloodb4roses

[unparsed]You need more a metachromology.

Over 15 Years ago
Mr. Saturday
 

[unparsed]I've now incorporated Il Erthe into my metachronology. Essentially it happens when the Cjessi stretch out too far and their god (or destiny, spirit, etc) dies, the rupturing of which causes a plague of unknown death and disappearance to start moving inwards, until they must return to their planet of origin (earth, obviously).

From what I've worked out, they manage to tap into Sol and get it to spawn a dragon to re-populate the world much quicker than normal, as well as avoid the plague-death completely by becoming a transient ghostlike race. This is the point at which Il Erthe ends and Yardh begins.

Incidentally, some Cjessi on outlying worlds DO survive, either by finding another source of god-energy or by simply waiting it out until the human race re-aquires one (in the form of Ashtar, on Yardh). Their resulting civilisations become VERY important to what Ljene becomes when it starts to drift around the galaxy.

So essentially, here's something of what my plotline is:

Earth ----> Cjessi ----> Il Erthe ----> Yardh ----> Kelmu -----> Ljene

Over 15 Years ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

[unparsed]Okay, I've incorporated the Keltak'tha into my metachronology now. When the planetmakers Ashtar and Kavar begin their metamorphosis, the world changes drastically, a tremor of which seperates people's souls from their bodies, forming two very incomplete races, one of which, the Kelmu, inhabits the world they previously went to only to dream.

The Viili Dragons evolve into the Sharp, beings which appear as either poisonous snakes or black birds with stark silver outlines, and ascended humans get the chance to become "dragons" as well. By contrast, the benevolent and neutral Cimdi evolve into the first Path. The Jindi and the Phoenixes follow Ashtar and Kavar into the fabric of reality, where they reside until they become suns.

I've worked out that there needs to be another era in between Keltak'tha and Ljene -- when Ashtar and Kavar become twin suns, and the Jindi and Phoenixes evolve and live on their worlds, until another planetmaker collides with the re-emerging world and forms Ljene. Although I'm thinking that the shadows who appear on Ljene are not planetmaker eggs at all, but some joint creation by Ashtar and Kavar. Perhaps they are the ascended form of the Jindi, who they have allowed to become planetmakers like them? Too early to speculate, I think.

Current plotline:

Earth --> Cjessi ---> Il Earthe --> Yardh ---> Kaltak'tha --> Twin suns --> Ljene

Over 15 Years ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

[unparsed]What I am doing can't really be called a 'metachronology' comparable to yours simply because my world operates on a fairly naturalistic scale as opposed to a high-fantastic one, meaning that catastrophic, literally-world-altering events on the level that you seem to be concerned with do not happen.

However, as a conworlder primarily interested in conhistory, my method is something similar: There are five 'focal moments' in my history - each one is a particular generation that I'm developing in great depth, each one part of a very different era of Salabria. (Though the analogy is a bad one because the shape of my history doesn't quite follow Europe's, for ease they might be called the Bronze Age, Classical, Late Antique, Medieval and Renaissance periods).

At each moment, I'm developing prosopography, linguistics, contemporary political movements, etc. in depth across the known world. Between these focal moments, although events keep happening (at times, very great and important ones) I don't go to quite the same degree of depth and detail as I do at the five central foci, and the history serves mainly to show how the world evolved from one to the next.

Like I said, the changes are not vast enough to truly call these different worlds, so your term metachronology might not quite apply - but I think the principal is something similar.

Over 15 Years ago
Halikarnassian

[unparsed]I have to work on a metachronology, due to the broken time in the Time between Time. Fuck. I can't even envision broken time properly AND I GOTTA MAKE IT WORK.

Over 15 Years ago
Mr. Saturday
 

[unparsed][quote:e2947ff18d="Xhin"]I've worked out that there needs to be another era in between Keltak'tha and Ljene[/quote:e2947ff18d]
I hope people don't stay too long in the depression, and I'm waiting for details about the genesis of Ljne, and new ones on Ljne itself that are not on the wiki yet.

[quote:e2947ff18d="Mr. Saturday"]due to the broken time in the Time between Time.[/quote:e2947ff18d]
Sounds funny. Would you care to explain it a bit or point which post of the Feylands I have to read? (I'm still in the first posts and admittedly somewhat lost)

Over 15 Years ago
Leo
 

[unparsed]A dude becomes a god by using a bit of a dead god to infuse himself and many others with divinity and transferring their souls and minds into a clockwork body.

This massive drain on divinity drove many gods batshit crazy, with the most important ones going loco were the gods of time.

Basically, Tharsus broke the rules and Bad Shit Went Down.

Over 15 Years ago
Mr. Saturday
 

[unparsed]So you have a span of time that was lived through only by part of the world, or part of the people, or just the Gods, while the rest was frozen? Or something even more complicated, probably?

Over 15 Years ago
Leo
 

[unparsed]All of the above. Certain areas moved fast, certain areas moved slow, certain areas froze, some events did and did not happen, etc etc.

Over 15 Years ago
Mr. Saturday
 

[unparsed][quote:db3cee2d2f="Xhin"][i:db3cee2d2f]metachronology[/i:db3cee2d2f] -- a timeline which explains events that happen over very long periods of time[/quote:db3cee2d2f]A perhaps-better term for this might be "deep time". A perhaps-better meaning of "metachronology" might be something like "the (meta)history of how (ordinary)history has been changed due to time-travelers' meddling".

[quote:db3cee2d2f="Mr. Saturday"]All of the above. Certain areas moved fast, certain areas moved slow, certain areas froze, some events did and did not happen, etc etc.[/quote:db3cee2d2f]Any parent of a 12-year-old school child knows this happens. Actually, any married person who's had enough of the right kind of disagreement with his/her spouse knows this happens.

Over 15 Years ago
eldin raigmore
 

[unparsed][quote:03b9bcbb52="eldin raigmore"][quote:03b9bcbb52="Xhin"][i:03b9bcbb52]metachronology[/i:03b9bcbb52] -- a timeline which explains events that happen over very long periods of time[/quote:03b9bcbb52]A perhaps-better term for this might be "deep time". A perhaps-better meaning of "metachronology" might be something like "the (meta)history of how (ordinary)history has been changed due to time-travelers' meddling".[/quote:03b9bcbb52]

Well, that would be problematic in my case, since my "metachronology" doesn't involve time travelling. I intended the term as a kind of chronology of different chronologies, an index of eons or what have you.

Over 15 Years ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

[unparsed][quote:a8513a8fac="Xhin"][quote:a8513a8fac="eldin raigmore"][quote:a8513a8fac="Xhin"][i:a8513a8fac]metachronology[/i:a8513a8fac] -- a timeline which explains events that happen over very long periods of time[/quote:a8513a8fac]A perhaps-better term for this might be "deep time". A perhaps-better meaning of "metachronology" might be something like "the (meta)history of how (ordinary)history has been changed due to time-travelers' meddling".[/quote:a8513a8fac]

Well, that would be problematic in my case, since my "metachronology" doesn't involve time travelling. I intended the term as a kind of chronology of different chronologies, an index of eons or what have you.[/quote:a8513a8fac]

Yes. But some of us have time traveling, in my case through a second dimension of "time", so metachronology fits that a tiny bit better...

Over 15 Years ago
bloodb4roses

[unparsed][quote:cdf830a68c="bloodb4roses"][quote:cdf830a68c="Xhin"]Well, that would be problematic in my case, since my "metachronology" doesn't involve time travelling. I intended the term as a kind of chronology of different chronologies, an index of eons or what have you.[/quote:cdf830a68c]Yes. But some of us have time traveling, in my case through a second dimension of "time", so metachronology fits that a tiny bit better...[/quote:cdf830a68c]
@Xhin: Why I suggested "deep chronology" instead of "metachronology" for Xhin..

Over 15 Years ago
eldin raigmore
 

[unparsed]Okay, I've come up with an official list of the cataclysms that brought in each new era of my metachronology.

Earth --> Cjessi = The discovery and utilisation of different spacetimes, which led to extremely dense technology, interstellar travel, and minor forms of telepathy/PK/etc.

Cjessi --> Il Earthe = A form of warfare so powerful that it echoes through spacetime, destroying whole lineages. In the wrong hands, it ends up affecting all of humanity, beginning at the most experimental and transcendant fringes and echoing down, pushing the survivors back to earth.

Il Earthe --> Yardh = As humanity becomes more and more animal-like, eventually blending into the animal kingdom entirely, what remains of humanity convenes for one final attempt to save themselves. Using ancient spacetime technology inherited from The Kind, they alter one small detail in the local universe, turning The Kind's Terraforming machines sentient, and get one to head towards earth. Such massive originality is enough for the full effects of the god-death to take place, and the rest of remaining humanity becomes almost entirely incorporal.

One of the machines, named JND141, visits earth and through its power humanity starts to resurface. Two planetmakers, known as Ashtar and Kavar, appear on earth and resurrect humanity the rest of the way, as well as bringing many of the highly animal-like humans back into sentience. Their curse, however, is the constant potential to become animal-like again (Carnal species). Another terraforming machine, also new to sentience, arrives, known as CMD029.

Yardh --> Kaltak'tha = Ashtar and Kavar begin their metamorphosis into full suns. Their natural processes have the effect of sending ripples through spacetime, altering its natural laws and even physical matter, through anything weakened by previous ripples. Unfortunately, humanity, only a few thousand years after they interfered greatly in spacetime, is affected by this, and they resume their incorporal state.

The Dragons, originally turned sentient by humanity's gesture, are affected as well, all of them falling into a dreamlike state of simple shapes and complex ideas, only very few ever reaching Lucidity and "waking up". The Jindi race of Dragons and the Phoenixes are the only races with enough "firepower" to cut through the waves of spacetime change and follow Ashtar and Kavar into their cocoons. The Viili and Cimde stay behind in the dreamworld, as does the very weakened human race.

Kaltak'tha --> Il Jernes = Finally Ashtar and Kavar depart to a nearby section of blank space, becoming a binary star system orbited by space-adapted phoenixes and a small moon where the Jindi finally become humanlike. It is here where the intensive community structure of the phoenixes is developed and the legendary bonds are fused between a godlike race of humans (the Jindi) and the phoenixes.

Meanwhile, thanks to the jolt of an ending metamorphosis as well as the work of the Kalthaks, humanity resurfaces back on earth, or Il Jernes, as they call it. The Viili (The Sharp) and the Cimdi (The Path) remain in their dreamworld, which drifts towards the nearest spiritual power source (Ashtar and Kavar). Ashtar and Kavar, their differences long settled, decide to form both their sentiences into one child, so that they can build up a new star together. The Phoenixes are overjoyed by this news, and promise to guide the larva to its new world. The Jindi, however, have fed off the spiritual energy of Ashtar and Kavar for millenia and are not content for them to become mere suns. Worse, their gods have chosen the phoenixes instead of them to protect and ferry the new larva, so short of interfering, there would be no escape from a godless system for any of them.

When the dreamworld approaches, however, they get an idea to use their long-evolved brothers in it to circumvent Ashtar and Kavar's plans. The Sharp and the Path are more than willing to do the Jindi's bidding, in return for corporal forms again.

Ashtar and Kavar transfer all of their spiritual energy into a child in a process known as the Kilip Tanara. Before they can fuse the remainder of their sentience with it, however, the Jindi intercede, pulling the sentient souls from the dreamworld to take their place. Instead of being one child, the larva becomes many, de-evolving back to its form of chaotic shadowy eggs. The Phoenixes, however, don't notice the difference, and ferry the "Shadow world" to its new home, what they thought would remain a barren earth.

Il Jernes --> Ljene

The people of Il Jernes see the shadow world approaching, and call it Anam-Jern (world of shadows). Because of Il Jernes' lack of secondary gravity (earth's moon had fallen into the earth at the end of the Yardh era, AND at the end of the Cjessi era), the approach of Anam-Jern made the gravitational pull of the earth much less uniform, and unstable. Coupled with a small internal war inside the shadow world between the Path and the Sharp, the gravitational disturbances are too much for the earth to remain in one piece. It shatters in a great cataclysm known as the Tonymi. The shadow world, too, shatters, and the phoenixes guarding it get forcefully seperated, both physically and mentally from one another.

In the ensuing years, pieces of the earth continue to shatter and combine, sending off huge clouds of dust. The durable bodies of humans have withstood much through the past ten thousand years, although managing to stay alive or even find a meal through the Tonymi becomes increasingly difficult. The bodies of the shadows, on the other hand, are quickly ripped to shreds. Incorporal again, they seek one another for survival, and many of them quickly build up what amounts to a community somewhere in the center of the Tonymi. Both Path and Sharp reconcile their differences. The free-floating shadows, however, have no choice but to turn to humans and phoenixes for help. With pieces of Ashtar/Kavar's powers, the shadows seem to be worth joining with, and very few humans do not entwine their souls with them.

Thanks to the new powers of shadow essences, as well as the community of shadow spirits, the ravaging storms and collisions abate, setting what remains into more stable patterns. The largest chunks of earth become Ljenetras, watched over by the most powerful and visionary of the shadows there, who enact fields of heat and light to surround their Ljenetra, turning their ordinarily chaotic dust clouds around it into hot collision-preventing shields. Almost all humans are shadow essences instead of mere souls.

And the Center community of shadows, known as the Iris, uses its shadow fields to counteract gravity in a more stable way, turning the orbit of the Ljenetras into figure-eight orbits that are easily rotated to prevent further collisions. Meanwhile, though, an unabated dust storm surrounds this new Ljene system, impassable and unable to be seen through or tapped into.

The last remnants of dissent in the Iris are cast out, the ones who are more Sharp-like becoming Ghanfre, and the ones who are more Path-like becoming Xhols.

Any thoughts?

Over 15 Years ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

[unparsed]Here's something of a summary I came up with when the post above wouldn't go through (although the summary didn't go through until today either)

Something worth noting:

  • The Dragons of Yardh are actually terraforming machines that reached sentience thanks to the efforts of a small band of innovators on Il Earthe. Their non-sentient selves were invented by The Kind, an advanced alien race who are not really kind at all. Nor are they as advanced as the Planetmakers, although they share a common lineage (as do humans, incidentally). Before the Kind got fed up with the universe, they had a treaty going with the planetmakers whereby the planetmakers would make the terraformers, terraform some desolate rock or another for the Kind's usage, and in return, they would summon planetmaker larvae to develop further.

  • When humans discovered a remote planet that was doing exactly that but without the Kind's presence, they decided to supercede them. This turned out to be a HUGE mistake, for although the Kind didn't need their worlds, they were still very protective. While the Kind could physically alter the biological structure of people, people didn't have much of a weapon against the Kind, except for travelling through Yottaspace very quickly, which seemed to have an adverse reaction on them.

  • It was discovered that when matter or energy changes spacetimes, it isn't completely efficient, and some of the energy spills off in a ripple which effects anything hiding in scalespace, including natural constants in the local universe, or the Kind. With some development, a weapon was created that could erase members of the Kind through those ripples. Unfortunately, that weapon got into the hands of the Kind as they were almost annihilated, and they used it against humanity. Instead of spacetime ripples, they were time ripples which completely offset past events, destroying whole lineages of people.

  • Throughout history, the most mentally unstable (and therefore, genius) people were the ones most easily affected by the Kind's new weapon. A tiny little ripple to affect a genius and turn him into a madman, condemning his present-day descendants to a new plague religions were calling the god-death.

    And now you know :P

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]Wow. :shock:

    Over 15 Years ago
    Sakir
     

    [unparsed][quote:fea6467484="Sakir"]Wow. :shock:[/quote:fea6467484]

    Yeah, and something tells me five worlds isn't enough.

    Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]Phew, that's epic...
    Glad you now have an explanation for the god-death :)
    It's a huge time span with many events and beings that I find hard to pin down because you don't explain the deep reasons for many of them. For instance, why this merger with animals? Why don't the AIs just conquer the universe instead of going to revive a droopy humankind?
    I hope you answer my questions this time ;)
    (You left many unanswered in the other threads)

    Over 15 Years ago
    Leo
     

    [unparsed]Some links to my worlds would probably be helpful. I plan on constructing a kind of visual timeline at some point. Or would that be a metatimeline? :P

    In re-reading these posts, I've "found out" a couple of more things:

  • Planetmaker larvae do not grow into full suns so much as increase their scalespace. As the god-death proves, tampering with the scalespace of something sends off ripples that affect natural constants, local events, lineages, etc. It would make sense, then, that the long amount of time planetmaker larvae spend changing their scalespace would have a huge effect on those. I have been wondering for some time WHY their metamorphosis affects natural laws (or magic systems), WHY shadows (which are pieces of planetmakers) can distort the rules of technology and sentience, and WHY these effects are only local. With this, everything makes a lot more sense.

  • Also, I made mention in the original planetmakers post that they created Yardh's universe's system of sun creation and rebirth. But I said that before I "realized" that Yardh took place in the future of OUR universe, so I've been wondering why our sun isn't a sentient god, if the planetmaker rules are true. But it makes sense now, since all spacetime ripples are LOCAL effects. It would mean that the planetmakers simply rewrote the laws of the universe to include them as part of the process, but their reach didn't include earth until we stumbled upon one of their worlds. (yes, they SIMPLY rewrote the laws of the universe. Simple, right? :P)

  • In Yardh, the power of the dragons and planetmaker larvae are so great that they make whole parts of yardh seperate from one another, as though they were in other universes. By the above logic, this is possible because of some minor tapping into scalespace that causes worlds to diverge from one another. This effect would also explain how some people on other planets "escaped the god-death by finding other gods" -- what they actually found was another source of world-diverging power that pulled their lineages straight out of the vicegripped scalespace of the god-death.

  • Also, if it takes a scalespace-changing force to create any "world" or "universe", then our current universe would have to have been propogated by some deity or another. The god-death CAN be applied literally, if you think of it like that (death of a universe, which IS the power of a god)

    In any case, I think it would be wise to explain a few things before I answer your questions:

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]Firstly, the spatiality of my conepic (heh) needs explaining:

  • There are three spatial dimensions, or at least three spatial dimensions usable by most of the matter in the universe (there may be more, but it doesn't affect us macro-particles!)

  • Time is also three-dimensional, moving forward and backward in local time, left and right corresponding with different potentials being activated (for example, choosing to go to the park rather than to the store), and up and down being different "worlds" which are affected by some monumentous act of creation (whether voluntary or involuntary)\

  • There are also two dimensions of scale, one a spatial dimension, and the other a temporal dimension. As spatial and temporal dimensions are collectively called spacetime, so these two dimensions are collectively called Scalespace.

  • Spatial scalespace is the relative size of something, or the relative size of the particular spacetime being occupied. At the beginning of the Cjessi era, this theory was made practical by the utilization of Yottaspace and Zeptospace.

  • Yottaspace was a means to interstellar travel, as using it jumped the starship into a larger spacetime. The speed of light remains constant, however in a larger spacetime, the starship would simply travel in normal spacetime less, literally "jumping" from one overlap to another, as though each gap had an instantaneous wormhole between it and the next.

  • Sending a starship (or anything, for that matter) into another spacetime was not 100% efficient, some of the energy going back to warp both space and time

  • Temporal scalespace, on the other hand, is simply a condensation of every cause leading up to an effect. If a blue ball and a yellow ball are launched at the same time at one another, and they become a green ball that stands still, then in our normal temporal scalespace, there would be two events preceding one (well, there's air resistance and such, but let's pretend there's just two). In a smaller temporal scalespace, there would be only one cause, a green ball that is rolling to a stop. In a larger temporal scalespace, there could be red, purple, green, and orange balls that are all interacting with one another. Or whatever.

  • Each person has multiple ancestors. However, in a smaller form of temporal scalespace, there is only one ancestor, a composite of all the others which is very very close to how you are. As your personality changes, in fact, that scalespace'd ancestor is different as well. The more unstable (Aka, genius and original) your personality is, the more unstable your ancestors' becomes.

  • The god-death is a temporal scalespace ripple. It travels in a very quantized way to Scale Ancestors in jumps of about sixty years. It then releases energy in the form of thought changes (in other words, changing the second dimension of time, or trying to). The more unstable your scale ancestor, the more likely they are to do something drastic, such as to not have descendants.

  • If the ripple is effective, your scale ancestor changes their mind, and you cease to exist, sending off more temporal energy which repeats the cycle. If your scale ancestor is not that unstable, the temporal energy can bombard them for years and years without adverse effect, maybe longer. The less the scale ancestor thinks, the less they can actually change their mind, so the Eardhen's method of becoming unthinking savages actually works quite well.

    You can ask questions about that if you like. Meanwhile, onto:

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed][b:5c61863000]Dragons[/b:5c61863000] are worth mentioning, since they show up in virtually every era. But unfortunately, I'll have to get to them and your questions later, since I'm being kicked off the computer. A brief summary:

    Terraforming machines -- JND141, CMD097

    Sentient terraforming machines called Dragons -- Jindi, Viili, Cimdi

    Kaltak'tha dream-forms -- Sharp (Viili), Path (Cimdi)

    Shadow spirits -- Sharp-based and Path-based, though mostly merged

    Other shadow forms -- Xhols (Path/Cimdi), Ghanfre (Sharp/Viili)

    Also, the Jindi became humans.

    Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]The scalespaces are really crazy :D I'm struggling with them searching for physical balance: If someone starts fiddling with them, there should be some counter-measures available? For instance in our good old space, you can stop the motion of an object by applying opposite impulsion. Similarly, when someone sends a superluminous ship or weapon by shifting it along scalespace, someone could countershift it making it superslow using the same amount of energy?

    Over 15 Years ago
    Leo
     

    [unparsed]Okay, I finally have a huge chunk of time free. Also, I worked out some on-paper stuff that should be VERY helpful!

    Now, the deal with dragons:

    [b:bd7e15fa79]Origin[/b:bd7e15fa79]

    The dragons originated as non-sentient terraforming machines. In a section of our galaxy closer to the center than we are, there lived a race called the Kind. This name is not because they're kind at all (in fact the opposite), but simply a better transliteration of their name, KND-3. Both the Kind and Planetmakers have their origin in a common ancestor, known as α-3, the Kind being an invention of theirs who went awry, and planetmakers being a further evolution (BR-1 through BR-196 and CR-1 through CR-12).

    α-3 also invented the original form of dragons, the JND-1 prototype. Its purpose was to find a barren world and create a stable atmosphere for it, whereby the α-3's other machines (such as HMW-9) would fill it with oxygen, plants, etc. Eventually, though, another machine prototype known as the CMD-1 replaced those latter functions. Various new copies of each were produced, as well as another two prototypes, the JMD-1 and the FQD-1.

  • The JMD-1's role was to initiate a process by which planetmaker eggs (at the time called BR-82) could gestate more readily. One of its roles was making part of the planet split off into a moon so as to counteract the gravitational distortional effects of planetmakers. Only three versions of the JMD were produced before its functions became integrated with the landmark JND-56.

  • The FQD-1's role was to try to initiate sentience in some of the life of a planet, usually by calling upon stored templates of known sentient (but not TOO powerful) creatures, mainly earth-stock humans (α-3 evolved from them, albeit a very long time back in our history). Planetmakers even then required a secondary form of sentience to aid them in their development. The FQD-7 was the last version produced, allowing it to tap into scalespace and resurrect lineages that might have lived on the rock at one time (enough of those worlds existed in the galaxy), forming an easy source of sentience and autonomy. Afterwards, the FQD as well as integrated with the JND, forming the JND-58.

  • The CMD-32 was given increased communication and data retrieval systems, allowing it to pull out α-3 knowledge, teach it to other sentient life , and try to get them to creatively implement it for whatever solution the α-3 wanted.

    [b:bd7e15fa79]Il Earthe's influence[/b:bd7e15fa79]

    Several hundred years previously, the Cjessi had stumbled upon a Kind-territory planet and inadvertently caused the god-death. Along the way, they learned only bits and pieces about the Kind, but enough to gather that by stumbling into their section of the universe and interfering, their stars would start to take on planetmaker characteristics. They knew also of their terraforming machines, but very little else. Also, they really didn't have a chance on exploring these avenues because of the rapidly worsening god-death.

  • At one time in Il earthe's history, a godstorm of tremendous energy was found, prolonging the lifespan of the remaining non-animalistic humans there for generations. During that time, a group of Idolseekers worked on the Kind's technology (although they didn't really have that many tools at their disposal!) and came up with a plan to resurrect humanity fully.

  • They tapped into Sol, which had by that time become fully planetmaker, and forced it to start building a terraformer. They were wise enough to know though that if the terraformer came to earth, it might resurrect humanity, but they would become slaves to either the Kind (who wanted to use their creativity for solutions to THEIR technological problems), or to whichever planetmaker larva appeared. So to throw a wrench into the gears, they tapped into local scalespace and made all terraformers sentient.

  • The range of that act encompassed only a couple of star systems besides Sol, but as those were gestating terraformers at the time, the range spread out again and again, eventually encompassing almost the entirety of the galaxy.

  • Meanwhile, locally, a JND-140 was produced. With its added sentience, the α-3 had no choice but to classify it a new number (although they REALLY didn't like it!), the JND-141.

  • Also, a CMD-94 in a nearby star system was produced. Right on the fringes of the effect of the sentience change, it served as a conduit for another sphere of sentience to expand. It turned out to be sentient (CMD-95) at the time this happened, and witnessing and being part of that event had an enormous effect on it (CMD-96). Because the full effect of that could only be achieved if a terraformer had been on the fringes of sentience-range, very few CMD-96's were actually created, and all the others existed very far away from earth.

    More to come.

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed][b:e7772bea7a]Yardh Eonspan[/b:e7772bea7a]

  • Because of the HUGE change in the local universe, the remainder of non-animalistic mankind was eliminated by the god-death. While the Eardhen (the animalistic humans) managed to survive for quite a bit of time after that, the god-death had been fed by the death of the remaining thousands so much that it started to affect the lineages of other lifeforms on earth, from animals to plants to even the lowest of bacteria. The Eardhen followed very shortly, and the oxygen in the atmosphere itself began to fade, as though those first primeval algae had never created it. The earth became a barren rock.

  • Strangely, probably due to other local changes, humankind survived in a VERY incorporal and transient form, living in a kind of weak dreamworld devoid of both danger and interest. That dreamworld became Kaltak'tha later, but back then it was very weak, just a place for the ghosts to gather.

  • The Il earthe's plan worked, and the local JND-141 came to earth. New to sentience and without Kind supervision, it nonetheless followed its programming, recreating heat and atmosphere on earth, as well as readying a moon to split off. The old JMD method was to send a huge amount of energy into the tectonic plates, rupturing and causing them to move about violently, until one of them could be flung out into space. Due to the JND-141's sentience, however, the pieces of this process became sentient as well, the tectonic plate pieces becoming Pyremanders, and the one who was chosen to become the next moon becoming their Princess Omra.

  • The JND-141 began calling itself Jinde, and it had children of its own, that it called Jindi. Terraformers having children was a natural part of the process, but sentience was not, and rifts started to emerge in Jindi society caused by a previously impossible diverging of interests. Most of the Jindi held to Jinde's notion that it was their sentience that should be pursued rather than their programming. A rebel named Viil disagreed, saying that the moon needed to split off and a planetmaker larva (well, they called them godchildren and thought of them as such) summoned. Jinde protested on the grounds of sentience, saying that the Pyremanders were sentient too and deserved the chance to do things their way.

  • Viil and his followers deserted Jinde, and forced the process of the moon splitting off. Banned from Jinde's domain, they became the Viili and lived on that moon. Sentient or not, upset or not, Princess Omra nonetheless followed her programming and maintained the moon, becoming an active ruler and supporter of Viili causes.

  • The Viili agreed with the Jindi that the time for summoning a planetmaker just didn't "feel right" (well, according to their programming), but they couldn't figure out why life hadn't sprung into existance like it should have. The reason was the still-lingering effects of the god-death. The Jindi saw transient forms of humans (called Hanja) appearing every so often, but that was the only life they saw. The rest had been purged from existance and was beyond even the Dragons' power to resurrect.

  • The Viili and Jindi, who had been getting on diplomatically, split once again as Viil decided that summoning a planetmaker might fix the problem. The Jindi were completely against it, but the Viil had made their choice. A dark planetmaker called Kavar was summoned.

  • In the normal course of events, darker planetmakers are at a very low rank, with varying colors being higher up and white ones being highest (and most preferable to dragons) of all. White ones generate the most heat and light for a planet, and are the ones who turn into suns most easily, though they do lack skill in altering scalespace, which the darker ones excel at.

  • Kavar was as dark as they come. The Jindi were furious, but since Kavar's path generated life everywhere it went, the Viili were delighted. Kavar managed to resurrect a few of the Eardhen, whose new incarnations were the Ganas and the Stso. Kavar also resurrected a very very old race of cat-forms that were loathed in almost all of Cjessi. Known as the Zenme-Arill, they resurrected as the Zhanmir.

  • The Jindi were getting outnumbered by Viili and the races Kavar brought forth (the Kavari), but the time was finally right for them to summon a planetmaker, so they did so, in the form of lighter Ashtar. Ashtar resurrected the remainder of the Eardhen (Chorna, Amet), as well as transient mankind.

  • Then, the local fringeborn CMD-96 arrived on earth, by far the most interesting world they had come across, covered in huge swathes of both black and white, and populated by two dragon races rather than just one.

  • The CMD-96 had been programmed to explore the vast knowledge of the Planetmakers, and to teach sentient life so as to exploit their creativity for it α-3 master. But the newly sentient and fringeborn Cimdi had no α-3 master, so instead what had originally been a method of exploitation and slavery ironically became a wise and benevolent race of dragons.

    More to come. (again)

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]I hope the above does answer at least some of your questions, such as:

    [quote:5f08a772e0]Why don't the AIs just conquer the universe instead of going to revive a droopy humankind? [/quote:5f08a772e0]

    The dragons were deeply programmed to be loyal to whichever planet they landed on (a safety measure to keep them from developing glitches and running amok across the galaxy!), though the interpretation of that may vary from dragon to dragon, no dragon has the desire to go out and conquer other planets.

  • Thanks to the FQD-7's influence, the JND-141's had the programming to need to resurrect life for the sake of planetmakers. Before Kavar was summoned, the Jindi were indeed worried about the lack of life, and had been trying to at least turn their Hanja (humans) corporal again, but with very little luck. It had been ingrained in them that sentient life was absolutely essential for planetmaker development, but their interpretation was that sentient life must precede planetmaker summoning. By contrast, the Viili interpretation was that the other way around could work equally well. Vague intuitive hints about dark-swathed planetmakers helped this train of thought.

    So really, there was nothing truly altruistic about the dragons wanting to resurrect humankind. The Jindi had an appreciation for sentience, but even that was a reflection of their pride in having given it to something (Pyremanders), even though such action was involuntary. They felt that if they let their creations decide their own fates, why, their actions would be a true example of Jindi power!

    The Viili took the interpretation that their programming should be carried out at all costs -- something which gave them huge trouble later, when they were incarnated as shadow spirits and the old rules simply didn't apply anymore. The Viili may appear as the least altruistic of all, although the Kind did originally program the JND's to be friendly and helpful towards their creations. As the Viili took a more literal stance on their programming, they were indeed much more benevolent towards the Kavari than the Jindi were to the Ashtari. But to other races, not so much.

    The Cimdi (CMD-96) were not programmed for benevolence at all, nor for pride in creation. However, they were programmed to share information and research planetmaker knowledge. While the Kind's reasons for those programs were for exploitation, they never transferred those reasons to the CMD's. The Cimdi share information because it is what they want to do, and since Kind masters are nowhere to be found, they appear the most benevolent of all. Perhaps they actually are. But then again, perhaps our altruism isn't as pure as we like to think it is!

    More to come, but later. Feel free to ask questions.

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]Now, your other question.

    [quote:01bf4d5cf9]why this merger with animals? [/quote:01bf4d5cf9]

    I assume your question is "Why did the terraformer machines become dragons?". Really, they are NOT dragons, but only appear to be. A listing of dragonlike features:

    Wings -- In Yardh, Dragons do not need their wings to fly. Many wonder, then, why they have them. Their wings serve a dual purpose. When dragons depart the sun of their origin, they use them to "sail" the solar wind, as they are laden with specialized magnetoreceptors that channel energy to a very precise degree. Ironically, while their wings do not directly help them fly, they use them to channel their energy output so that they can indeed hover or move around.

    Fire breath -- In order to terraform a planet, dragons need to release a HUGE amount of energy. Their fire breath is such energy, although it also contains numerous amounts of mobilized nanobots (well, their equivalents, such as the HMW's, LMW's, etc.) which do most of the actual terraforming. Like their wings, they are capable of directing a stream of "fire breath" with remarkable precision, although for most tasks, a wild spread is more effective. It is the nanobots inside the stream which are responsible for the peculiar effect of dragon breath: "Even after the fire has left you, your fire continues burning away".

    Scales -- Scales are actually a fairly new addition of dragons. Originally, they were covered by a rough sheen that protected against radiation and impacts out in space. The JND-93, however, was incorporated with a set of shiftable scales, each smooth to within five molecules, and incorporated with a shortrange pressure system that can push new molecules up in order to re-smooth the surface. The scales are very hard, enough to withstand most impacts, but their true power is in reflecting and reorienting background energy. Older JND's had to use their own internal power source to send off fire breaths or channel energy into movement. With the JND-93's scales, however, they could use external energy to power a decent percentage of their needs, as well as recharge locally instead of having to move back to the nearest sun every few months.

    Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]In any case, I've officially named my metachronology now: [b:32a1dd9c1c]Pivot of Eons[/b:32a1dd9c1c] I do plan on creating a visual timeline very soon, with a different format than most timelines. My goal is for it to make you MORE confused :P

    So, any further questions and/or comments?

    Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]I'm too picky to generate much material---I throw out about 90 percent of what I brainstorm. What I keep fits easily into one conworld.

    Over 15 Years ago
    lryda mbazha
     

    [unparsed]Those are really just different settings, not different universes, then, because they're all in the same time line and are not mutually exclusive.

    I have to say that I'm glad to see you're kind of merging them though- should make things easier on ya, adding depth to the later one and giving you plenty of consequences to work off of.


    I use metachronologies, as you put it, in my conworlds too- usually just involving one very distant past and one present.

    [b:543abb92ab]O[/b:543abb92ab] involves an extremely distant past, a distant past (or a few of them), and a present. Setting-wise they are all quite different.

    The others mostly just have distant past events that factor in; although I try to consider the past cities and such when designing the present.

    Over 15 Years ago
    Blake

    [unparsed][quote:a5c3041496="lryda mbazha"]I'm too picky to generate much material---I throw out about 90 percent of what I brainstorm. What I keep fits easily into one conworld.[/quote:a5c3041496]

    Now that's the way to go. I did that for about five years. I've found more recently that I can better tolerate the things I come up with, and I've had a few triggers to cause me to form new worlds (either for campaigns or short stories or games). Once they get made, they end of eating more ideas until they can stand on their own as concepts.

    Over 15 Years ago
    Blake

    [unparsed]As did I, Blake. Originally, I had the conworld Ljene, and was planning on investing everything in that. Then I kept getting new ideas, so decided to create a world to house those ideas, until I could populate other worlds with them. That world (Yardh) ended up becoming a centerpiece for Pivot of Eons :? , though I do use many of its ideas in worlds outside of the pivot (yes, there are MORE, but they're generally on a smaller scope, being used for one game, one story, etc)

    Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]Okay, I've been in the process of creating TWO timelines -- one straightforward and linear, and another chaotic but more geometric and artsy.

    In the meantime, I've run across a few other tidbits:

  • The natural order of the universe is one of superimposed possibilities. Without the restraint of physical laws and constants, the possibilities are nigh endless, forming the entire third temporal dimension, [i:c0c7ef3a27]Realmance[/i:c0c7ef3a27].

  • Around five billion years ago, the ordinarily chaotic "fabric" of spacetime began to take on longterm processes. These longterm processes solidified much of the fabric, forming the first lifeforms, and with them, the first pillars of natural law.

  • For billions of years, those pillars of natural law supported a single unit of Realmance above the chaos below. The local universe in the same unit of scalespace (about five billion light years, and growing) compensated for the change. Natural processes began to diverge, forming the first cellular life, and breaking the temporal dimension into realmance and [i:c0c7ef3a27]pathance[/i:c0c7ef3a27] (divergence of choices, a precursor to the phenomenon of free will). More pillars solidified, diminishing the local affected scalespace to that of only a galaxy or two.

  • Built from the interactions of natural-law pillars and scalespace, a new process emerged known as sentience, around five million years ago. Sentience had the absolute smallest scalespace given to it, only that of a few feet, but as it was formed from the balance of pillars and scalespace, had the potential to be much more. Sentience acted as a conduit of local scalespace changes, and with it changes spread about much faster. With sentience, the third and final temporal dimension split off, the familiar linear progressive [i:c0c7ef3a27]time[/i:c0c7ef3a27]. Sentience was also given greater reign over pathance and even a minute appreciation of realmance.

    [b:c0c7ef3a27]Conclusions to be reached[/b:c0c7ef3a27]

  • This system helps explain how the phenomenon of planetmakers spread across the human-inhabited galaxy. Only one starship capable of Yottaspace-travel was needed to replicate the change, spreading the signal into the affected localspaces of humans and other yottaships, until planetmakers were effectively written into every star system in the galaxy.

  • It also casts better light on why planetmakers change the natural laws of local scalespace, as well as their other properties. It makes sense that their larvae need other sentient life to evolve, since sentience forms a conduit for localspace change. Acting in coordination, the larvae will have enough access to begin their metamorphosis into enormous stars. They will transfer their forms into the fabric itself, and use their accumulated energy to increase their scalespace presence, long before they return to the physical universe. Doing so in the fabric prevents loss of energy due to entropy and other well-built natural law-pillars. Their metamorphosis will increase their scalespace, but because of the constant interaction of law-pillars and scalespace, will alter the former as well. THEN they will emerge as new suns.

  • Sentience, like the processes before it, is able to replicate itself, although does so without physical, temporal, scalespace, or locative control. The natural process of birth runs without sentient intervention at all, and transferrence of sentience from one process to another is a complete mystery, which may make you speculate how the people of Il Earthe did it to the terraformers consciously...

    Your thoughts? Too abstract? :P

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]Way too abstract, I guess. Here's a summary:

    Infinite possibilities -- Realmance (T-1, superimposed possibilities)

    Solidifying of natural laws -- first life-processes -- True Realm

    Divergence of processes -- cellular life -- Pathance (T-2, short links connecting possibilities)

    Interaction of natural law pillars and scalespace -- sentience -- Time (T-3, flowing time)

    It's worth noting that the T-2 evolution affected only some 5 billion light years of spacetime. According to the Lurani, there were other T-2 evolutions all across infinity, possibly an infinite number. From our localspace, several T-3 evolutions happened as well, forming humans, phoenixes, and species so hopelessly outside our sphere of influence that they are hardly worth mentioning. There were evolutions from sentience as well, although since the localspace of sentience is only a few feet, they didn't affect much.

    The Lurani were a ludicrously advanced race from a different T-2 localspace entirely. Their localspace happened to evolve a third scalespace early on, showing them their own T-2 localspace in its entirety. It was them (with some translation!) who coined the phrase Pivot of Eons, to describe the pattern-based but evolving universe.

    If the current Pivot of Eons is taken as an example, a pattern can be seen to emerge:

    Earth -- Expansion
    Fimbulwinter -- Reduction
    Cjessi -- Expansion
    Il Earthe -- Reduction
    Yardh -- Expansion
    Kaltak'tha -- Reduction
    Ljene -- Expansion

    more and more traits become prominent. In the Earth era, the source of light was always the sun with some minor reliance on technology towards the latter end of it. In Cjessi, there were many suns, but planets increasingly derived their power supply from geothermal radiation. In Yardh, there was a sun, but all of Yardh's light was derived from the planetmaker larva Ashtar, who blanketed the world. In Ljene, the entire system is blanketed in layers upon layers of dust, and light is derived from Orange and Purple dust which heavily blankets Ljenetras.

  • The eons make the world grow ever more internalized, their light sources becoming more and more self-sufficient.

    Still too abstract? Moreso?

  • Over 15 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]It's harder to understand my old stuff now. I've been slowly rewriting bits and pieces of the metachronology, which at the moment serves as the entire cumulative history leading to the events of Chronicles of the Sunchosen.

    The god-death, and what it actually is, is important. VERY IMPORTANT, since it leads to the events of a bajillion worlds, which my conworlds have only explored a couple of. Instead of a weapon or something, it's more the process by which a sentient species becomes extinct, along with their everything they've ever affected and their entire history. Almost like sentience was an accident in spacetime that needs to be corrected. The process is natural, but there's something vaguely malicious about it...

    It's possible to survive it, provided that your species gives up its right to dominate the universe. Various human planets managed to survive it by forming some kind of symbiosis with other sentient species, the newly sentient Jindi, in the case of earth/il earthe; a giant spacetime-altering tree known as the Sra, in the case of Mid-Hades. I'm thinking this has something to do with why the planetmakers need to have sentient species around in order to grow and develop.

    I've got a lot of details about phoenixes in the metachronology worked out, from how they gained supersentience in the first place to who their original human teacher, the illustrious Mu, was. What I haven't got worked out is their origin; right now they're just some alien race that's been entwined with human history for thousands of years. I *am* working on an afterlife-themed conworld that has certain elements that hint towards an origin, however. The results should be interesting!

    Silmyna can't possibly be connected. That con"world" was the inspiration for most of the others, same deal with its storyline. I *do* like keeping it around though. Maybe, someday, I'll revive it somehow..

    I'm not sure how Jigsaw Sun fits in. The supersentient phoenixes put the timeline after Mid-Hades, while the humans seem to have evolved on their own without being part of the collection of humans that fleed the god-death. I'd really like to write some stories in that world, and maybe that'll clear some things up.

    Tbh, I need to write stories in *all* of the conworlds, since right now all I have is a giant conuniverse history without all the usual movers and shakers that make such things interesting. Chronicles of the Sunchosen will be able to stand alone, however, whether you know the conuniverse or not.

    Over 12 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    [unparsed]
    I do not understand the title of this thread.
    That is, I especially don't understand what the title has to do with the content.
    Is it another one of Xhin's jokes?
    It's a funny title, :lol: , but it still doesn't seem relevant.

    Over 12 Years ago
    chiarizio
     

    [unparsed]It was "Metachronology + Pivot of Eons" but I changed it back when I changed the title of all of my threads for lulz.

    Jigsaw sun seems to take place way in the future, around the time of the heat death of the universe actually. This *could* fit in with the metachronology if something or the other caused the heat death to occur prematurely.

    Idk what it is about me and isolated spaces. I've got planets that are their own sun (Ljene), a world protected by distorted spacetime (mid-hades), world systems closed off from the outside world (ljene) or even closed off from the universe entirely (jigsaw sun)

    Over 12 Years ago
    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    @Xhin:
    Please change the title of this thread back to
    Meta-Chronology and Pivot Eons

    so it won’t keep coming up every time I search for posts with *marriage* in their title?

    10 Months ago
    chiarizio
     

    Hey Chia,

    I updated this for you.

    Denida and I can always assist with anything of this nature if the OP is unavailable.

    Best,
    ¤¤♅êîrÐ Øccu®@n瀤¤

    10 Months ago
    Weird Occurance

    @Weird Occurance:
    Thanks!

    10 Months ago
    chiarizio
     

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