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"My body, my choice" vs. logic and reason - Carey Wedler

Posted Over 1 Year ago by I killed Mufasa



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Over 1 Year ago
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Great video, and hilarious!

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

Round 2, Fight!



Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Why aren’t people who are pro-abortion also pro-capital punishment? And vice-versa
Why aren’t people who are against abortion also against capital punishment? And vice-versa?

Over 1 Year ago
chiarizio
 

Babies are innocent and murderers are guilty. And so I hold them to different standards.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

They are both human beings whose continued life might jeopardize the lives of me and those I love.
The same applies to enemy soldiers.
Either it’s alright to kill one human to protect another, or it isn’t.

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I need to rehabilitate my eldin raigmore alt-ID. I shouldn’t be posting this as chiarizio.

Over 1 Year ago
chiarizio
 

murderers are guilty. And so I hold them to different standards.


Not always. Not only are people sometimes convicted of murder or other crimes wrongfully because the State has every incentive to prove their suspect is guilty regardless of whether or not they are; the law is such that you don't even have to commit a murder to get the death penalty. In the US, you could be some dumb 17 year old who plans a heist with a bunch of dumb 17 year old friends. You're the get-away driver and ya figure, robbery isn't the same as murder so you're not crossing your own moral line. But while you're waiting in the car, your friends' plan runs into a snag and one of them accidentally winds up firing the gun at someone and kills them. In America, you as the get-away driver can be charged with murder, and in states that have the death penalty, you can be put to death. For a crime you didn't actually yourself commit, nor know would happen.

I understand the perception is "babies are innocent; criminals are guilty." That's often the justification for allowing the state to murder who they want as "punishment." But that argument really relies on a huge number of misconceptions about how the criminal justice system works, and ignores just how eager the State is to kill people when it can.

It'd honestly be more accurate to assume that those "babies" aren't even actually people yet at all than it is to assume that every "criminal" executed is either completely guilty, or actually guilty of what they were charged of that got them the death penalty.

Over 1 Year ago
Jet Presto

Yeah I'm not saying people accused of murder. I'm saying murderers - ie people who have killed other people - are guilty, even if they were never caught or convicted. But you're right, we can't know with 100 percent certainty who did what.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

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Over 1 Year ago
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It is, at best, a rhetorical framework which seeks to serve a purpose better served by unambiguous and realistic recognition of fact. The fact that a person is free in an untampered natural state does not indicate that this freedom was afforded by any particular system


The sense I always got about "natural law" is in defining the legal system as a framework where rights are either protected or prohibited. It therefore makes sense to prohibit less rights (drug use comes to mind) and also to gear the government towards protecting rights rather than granting privileges.

A lot of people tend to think more in terms of the government granting rights -- with that framework, something like the 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, and these "rights" can be removed by those in power. People that think in terms of this framework want the government to create more "rights" that are more beneficial to themselves or others, for example promoting healthcare as a right.

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

Why aren’t people who are pro-abortion also pro-capital punishment?

From my perspective, because I don't view fetuses who cannot live outside the womb as fully developed humans, though with abortion, I do think the earlier you terminate a pregnancy, the better. Which is why I also advocate for easy access to contraception and morning-after solutions (and many "abortions" actually are a mere matter of taking a pill; the more gruesome, late term operations shown in anti-abortion propaganda are not the norm).

Why aren’t people who are against abortion also against capital punishment?

Not only that, but very often they are against things like welfare, free school lunches, universal pre-K and, most recently, the stimulus package that effectively cut child poverty in half. This is why I think using the term "pro-life" for "anti-abortion" is dubious at best.

"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked."

- George Carlin

Over 1 Year ago
pacman

The left and the right are both fucked. The best way is to be fluid, adaptable, politically agnostic, or better yet, don't think about it at all and focus on your own little insignificant problems and actually have a life.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

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Over 1 Year ago
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I'm gonna be dead in 60 years, society isn't really my problem. It's not yours either. And even if it was, it's a problem too big for you to solve so it's not worth wasting your mental energy on.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I'm gonna be dead in 60 years, society isn't really my problem. It's not yours either. And even if it was, it's a problem too big for you to solve so it's not worth wasting your mental energy on.


I expect I’ll die in 51 years.

Over 1 Year ago
chiarizio
 

I'm gonna be dead in 60 years, society isn't really my problem. It's not yours either. And even if it was, it's a problem too big for you to solve so it's not worth wasting your mental energy on.


Pretty much agree with this i'm not much for the premise of creating osme hypothetical future I own't even be around for. At best most people might get their contributiosn taught in some history classes b ut even being remembered probably doesn't mean jack after you're dead.

Over 1 Year ago
tnu

Society already abandoned me I'm just returning the favor.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

@I killed Mufasa


We weren't on the best terms for along time but we seem to be on osmeth ing of a simila rpage latley if youw ant to talk y ou know how to find me on Facebook and my Discord is tnu#9539

Over 1 Year ago
tnu

I don't care for either of those platforms but I will talk here.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

SO what's up man how you been? W hat od youw ant to talk about?

Over 1 Year ago
tnu

Guess it depends on the topic. I'm not really big on small talk.

Over 1 Year ago
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

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