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Should I try talking to "demons" again?

Posted 11 Months ago by Grey Echelon

I know this is a weird out of nowhere question! But I thought I'd ask random people I haven't already. Idk if they're actually demons, but that's what they're popularly referred to as. Should also note I haven't been religious for a long time but there are still vague things I lean towards believing in, and whatever these entities are are among that.

Last time I tried making requests of some and I got outright rejections in response if not the opposite of what I asked and possibly other things going wrong in my life. On the other hand though, before that I'd make requests of them and affirmative response and get what I requested within a day. It's been years since I tried this though, and I don't know if it may go horribly this time.

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11 Months ago
Moonray

Why are you pondering this if it went so badly last time?

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

Why are you pondering this if it went so badly last time?

Wondering if it'd still go that way or if it's something I did that possibly provoked the negative last times. And the wondering if possibly if it somehow goes well again maybe I can use it more productively regarding myself and my resources since it's shown results in reality before far as I can tell. Since I seem at a loss as a person in some ways and nothing conventionally practical or sensible now days has worked for me so I've kind of considered an alternative. As a crutch I suppose. Also not being entirely sure if some of the bad things that came after were necessarily related. Other than that, idk being stupid for some reason probably.

But ya, that's what I've been usually leaning towards. Ever since back then I've been too afraid to try again. And maybe that is for the best, I don't even know what I was possibly tapping into for sure. But ya, even if I want to go the spiritual route I suppose there's more proven and better methods. Like atheistic religions that focus on self-improvement or some shit, which I kinda don't want to and investing seriously in that sort of thing is a bit of a drag but maybe it's worth a shot.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

Well, I wouldn't tamper with what you don't understand if you're even a little bit reserved about it.

Spiritual stuff like entities, demons, shadow people, and whatever the heck else is a rabbit hole.

It's like... well, you said you don't know if what you experienced can be attributed to it or not.
I think your terminology of "demons" is already a bit concerning because of the negative spin that name associates with it and I think most people will tell you to avoid it for that reason alone lol but also here to point out that you also don't seem to know what they are and you're being a bit vague about your past experiences, which, honestly, is where your answer lies.

I'd generally advise to stay away from it, but it's up to you.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

I'm not convinced that you ever talked to demons, but you shouldn't do whatever it is that you are characterizing as that, because it is deeply irrational and likely damaging to your own psyche.

11 Months ago
galbraith

you shouldn't do whatever it is that you are characterizing as that, because it is deeply irrational and likely damaging to your own psyche.


^ This is valid.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

I'm not convinced that you ever talked to demons, but you shouldn't do whatever it is that you are characterizing as that, because it is deeply irrational and likely damaging to your own psyche.

I agree with the shouldn't part, and I get why you think the other stuff, but

I'm not convinced that you ever talked to demons, but you shouldn't do whatever it is that you are characterizing as that, because it is deeply irrational and likely damaging to your own psyche.

and you're being a bit vague about your past experiences

Too many things happened in a timely manner. While I have no idea my mental state is questionable, these are not things I'm willing to just throw away as possible.

From what I am willing to talk about, things happened such as when I first attempted to "summon" one, I felt something around me, it was weird. And it was a entity related to money, and so I ask for money how I was suggested to, it goes away, next day money in the bank account from literally nowhere traceable apparently from what I could tell. Shit like this would consistently happen the day after I tried it and I did try it quite a bit of times. And that's not even getting into other similar situation. But I don't want to go too deep into that.

Though, I understand your skepticism. Only way you'd really understand the way I do is if you experienced it yourself. I understand your warning to not do it, and I will try not to though I must defend this aspect of it. Even if it wasn't entities/demons or whatever, I feel like my reasons for believing it's possible are reasonable enough that any normal person in my position may well think the same.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

Only way you'd really understand the way I do is if you experienced it yourself


Like most spiritual things, I agree with this conclusion.

Everything else you said, I'm torn between coincidence or not.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

I feel like my reasons for believing it's possible are reasonable enough that any normal person in my position may well think the same.


I'm not concerned about what a normal person might think. I'm concerned about what is true and what a rational person can understand of the truth.

I have no reason to believe that this is possible, let alone that it actually happened in the way that you're characterizing it. If your evidence is that an error in bank transactions happened, I have to heavily question your threshold for rational justification. One day I woke up and there was -$330,000 in my bank account. I quickly consulted my grimoire, cast a spell of commune with banking spirit and thereby received revelation that it was because someone at my bank typed an 8 instead of a 9, so that they charged a construction contractor's check to my account instead of my neighbor's. If demons are fucking about with your bank account, I suggest opening a line of communication with your nearest Gringott's liaison, as they have a significant number of goblin enchantments that can protect your coin from such interference. If it's too late, you might have to contact someone to file suit against the demons in small claims court - can I suggest one Harry Dresden?

11 Months ago
galbraith

I have no reason to believe that this is possible, let alone that it actually happened in the way that you're characterizing it. If your evidence is that an error in bank transactions happened, I have to heavily question your threshold for rational justification.

I didn't and (and actually don't still) have income so it would be rather odd don't you think? NOTHING gets in there so why would there even be a transaction error? I figured you knew that detail though so I didn't say it. Why would it happen that day of all days?

Also, as I said before things like this happened in a timely manner every time as I did it a lot of times, it's not just the one instance. And it's not just this specific thing. I could say more but I don't want to textwall... or talk about certain things for that matter.

Also characterizing?

One day I woke up and there was -$330,000 in my bank account. I quickly consulted my grimoire, cast a spell of commune with banking spirit and thereby received revelation that it was because someone at my bank typed an 8 instead of a 9, so that they charged a construction contractor's check to my account instead of my neighbor's. If demons are fucking about with your bank account, I suggest opening a line of communication with your nearest Gringott's liaison, as they have a significant number of goblin enchantments that can protect your coin from such interference. If it's too late, you might have to contact someone to file suit against the demons in small claims court - can I suggest one Harry Dresden?

While coincidence is certainly a thing that happens, as similar coincidences line up it would start to seem far more possible that it is now, and that is exactly what happened to be a lot of times over. Thus, given the amount of times it may not be rational, but I'd be hard pressed to call it just objectively irrational.

Again, it's just a possibility to me. It's not like I'm saying I'm objectively right, I'm aware enough to know that I could still be wrong. But I've seen enough to leave the possibility well open and that there isn't something wrong with me for assuming possibility in this instance.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

I didn't and (and actually don't still) have income so it would be rather odd don't you think? NOTHING gets in there so why would there even be a transaction error?


Clerk could've mistyped someone's bank account, filled out a deposit form wrong, glitch in the system accidentally throwing something in the wrong account etc.

Lots of possibilities could still lead it to being an error and a coincidence.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

Lots of possibilities could still lead it to being an error and a coincidence.

Yes, alone it could easily just be ruled out coincidence. But as I said, it wasn't alone. And it was still rather weird that it happened on that day of all days, just as the timing with all of this was weird. As I said, could go into detail but I don't want to about some things and it'd probably turn into a textwall that I don't want to bother making again.

All I'm saying is, the possibility that something was fucky definitely seems there to me. Not that it was objectively.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

An arbitrary amount of coincidences are still coincidences and cannot be used in a meaningful way until you establish mechanical causation, predictive power, etc.

Asking leading questions like "don't you find it odd" will get you nowhere. I do not find it to be anything until I have good reason to do so.

11 Months ago
galbraith

An arbitrary amount of coincidences are still coincidences and cannot be used in a meaningful way until you establish mechanical causation, predictive power, etc.

Asking leading questions like "don't you find it odd" will get you nowhere. I do not find it to be anything until I have good reason to do so.

I understand, and in many cases I may do the same. However, I think it's rather possible that there are things we simply can't understand at least not yet, and I also think there is a possibility here. Were I arguing that my experiences are definitely supernatural causes or whatever, I would agree with you more. But all I am insisting on is that it is possible and that it's not particular irrational to assume possibility in my case.

I understand you may prefer an all or nothing approach without possibilities, but that is not my way of looking at things personally.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

Possibilities are fine, but I am not convinced that you have good reason to believe that this is a possibility.

11 Months ago
galbraith

Two points here:

An arbitrary amount of coincidences are still coincidences and cannot be used in a meaningful way until you establish mechanical causation, predictive power, etc.


Asking leading questions like "don't you find it odd" will get you nowhere. I do not find it to be anything until I have good reason to do so.


Agree.

However, I think it's rather possible that there are things we simply can't understand at least not yet


Also agree.

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A bit of an unpopular opinion of mine that I don't think we'll ever understand the world perfectly with science alone.

I think there may be some spiritual (as opposed to 'religious') component to being, too, but haven't quite put my finger on what that entails, yet.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

Possibilities are fine, but I am not convinced that you have good reason to believe that this is a possibility.

What would convince you? I honestly don't even think people necessarily need good reason to believe in possibilities, it helps but I don't think it's necessary. If it's between "question everything" and "only believe in what there is extremely good evidence for" I kind of have to admit, I'm probably closer to the former but I'd rather not mindlessly question everything either, I'd just rather not close off possibilities especially when I personally think I have a good reason for having them as possibilities.

A bit of an unpopular opinion of mine that I don't think we'll ever understand the world perfectly with science alone.

I think there may be some spiritual (as opposed to 'religious') component to being, too, but haven't quite put my finger on what that entails, yet.
I agree with this as well.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

Also agree.


One can agree with something like "there is some thing which we do not yet understand" without making an appreciably important epistemic statement.

A bit of an unpopular opinion of mine that I don't think we'll ever understand the world perfectly with science alone.


A particularly overgrown and noxious kind of sophistic hand-waving that is desperately dependent on what, exactly, we are calling "science" in this context.

I think there may be some spiritual (as opposed to 'religious') component to being, too, but haven't quite put my finger on what that entails, yet.


If you mean to say that human experience currently entails a significant amount of mystical narrative, then that is so obviously true as to be an observation that hardly deserves the space that it takes up.

However, in the future, if the historical trends hold, we will see mystical narratives recede closer to the aesthetic niches that they deserve to inhabit and we will see gray areas that we do not currently understand through methodological naturalism either become scientific or be discarded from rational consideration entirely.

What would convince you?


I have no way of knowing what kind of evidence would be appropriate for whatever it is that you are saying until you are capable of coming up with a clear, testable claim. Simply saying "here's something that happened; we don't know why, but I say it was demons" is so completely orthogonal to rational discourse as to be meaningless. Your "explanation" has no explanatory power whatsoever, so I am not sure why I would try to apply an evidence-based approach to it instead of dismissing it out of hand.

If it's between "question everything" and "only believe in what there is extremely good evidence for"


This is a false dichotomy.

11 Months ago
galbraith

I have no way of knowing what kind of evidence would be appropriate for whatever it is that you are saying until you are capable of coming up with a clear, testable claim. Simply saying "here's something that happened; we don't know why, but I say it was demons" is so completely orthogonal to rational discourse as to be meaningless. Your "explanation" has no explanatory power whatsoever, so I am not sure why I would try to apply an evidence-based approach to it instead of dismissing it out of hand.

So basically... you see absolute evidence as the only way for a possibility... which requires no evidence... or else it wouldn't just be a possibility

This is a false dichotomy.

Okay? It wasn't meant to be taken so literally as if I actually think I need to choose between them so that doesn't even matter.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

So basically... you see absolute evidence as the only way for a possibility... which requires no evidence... or else it wouldn't just be a possibility


Basically, I see nonsensical stories that people made up as not even qualifying as possibilities on their own merits.

11 Months ago
galbraith

A particularly overgrown and noxious kind of sophistic hand-waving that is desperately dependent on what, exactly, we are calling "science" in this context.


If you mean to say that human experience currently entails a significant amount of mystical narrative, then that is so obviously true as to be an observation that hardly deserves the space that it takes up.


However, in the future, if the historical trends hold, we will see mystical narratives recede closer to the aesthetic niches that they deserve to inhabit and we will see gray areas that we do not currently understand through methodological naturalism either become scientific or be discarded from rational consideration entirely.


I guess my statement was partly foolish and partly just not well-thought-out.

I agree fully that things we used to think were mystical were actually scientifically explainable - like moving from ritualistic practices to make it rain to understanding why it won’t. So, yes, science is still developing and growing to continually explain things once considered purely mystical.

But right now, I feel like there’s a huge division between science and spiritualism. Like…
I guess the first thing that comes to mind is something like remote viewing. Up until recently, science refused to touch anything like astral projection because it’s a crackpot spiritual concept. But now remote viewing is being treated with higher regard since getting actual governmental curiosity and interest.

I think what I’m trying to say is, our current definition of science is a narrow entity that doesn’t want to touch our current definition of spiritualism, which is another narrow entity.

If you want to consider that these entities still have a mergeable center point that allows science to broaden its definition and explain more phenomena that are currently being written off as spiritual, then I agree with you. It’s what science has always done, yes, but I don’t think it’s had a current interest in trying to explain the “mystical” anymore.

Does this make any sense?

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

Basically, I see nonsensical stories that people made up as not even qualifying as possibilities on their own merits.

Oh so that's it, you just think I made them up now. Because I have made things up before, anything I've told you since after it happened, even as it's been a reoccurring thing for a long time now is now invalid.

Good to know I and whatever I say mean so little to you in reality then regardless. Thanks for that reveal, now I know my pessimism is warranted.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

But now remote viewing is being treated with higher regard since getting actual governmental curiosity and interest.


Governments tend to be stupid, and they have no "authority" in the epistemic sense. They simply seek to use whatever tools they think might help them, and have been known to throw huge amounts of money at absolutely nothing.

I think what I’m trying to say is, our current definition of science is a narrow entity that doesn’t want to touch our current definition of spiritualism, which is another narrow entity.


I'm not sure what "our current definition of science" is. However, if the implication is that our current best practices for understanding the world around us do not include tea leaves and crystal balls, then I agree.

If you want to consider that these entities still have a mergeable center point that allows science to broaden its definition and explain more phenomena that are currently being written off as spiritual,


Phenomenology is not concerned with truth, it is concerned with experiences. Attempting to explain phenomena with methodological naturalism is arbitrary (though, curiously enough, most of the "unexplained phenomena" that people bring up to try to score points against "science" are eminently explainable, they're just things that the experiencer has decided to tell themselves a particular story about while rejecting actual founded hypotheses).

It’s what science has always done, yes, but I don’t think it’s had a current interest in trying to explain the “mystical” anymore.


If the "mystical" is capable of providing substance from which an actual viable model can be constructed and knowledge (justified true belief) of the world obtained thereby, then it can be considered scientific. Until it can be demonstrated that there is, in fact, something to be explained, I am not concerned.

(I am not convinced that "justified true belief" is the best definition of "knowledge", but it is close enough for this dialogue.)

Oh so that's it, you just think I made them up now.


That is not what I said. There is no need to be defensive.

11 Months ago
galbraith

Can we back up for a bit, I want to ask about this:

Since I seem at a loss as a person in some ways and nothing conventionally practical or sensible now days has worked for me…


What conventional and practical things have you done to address this?

11 Months ago
Q2
 

lolwat

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11 Months ago
Elite

That is not what I said. There is no need to be defensive.

Then what did you say because it sure looked like that

What conventional and practical things have you done to address this?

Therapy (again), seeking medical treatment (again), a job application (again actually despite everything telling me it was a waste of time and what do you know it was), distractions from reality so I don't have to face the absolute pathetic state of everything I am and the fact that there is probably nothing to be done for it.

You asked. I'd rather not talk too much about that though or I may get into a habit.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

Then what did you say because it sure looked like that


I said:

I see nonsensical stories that people made up as not even qualifying as possibilities on their own merits.


You didn't invent the idea of demons or ghosts or anything of the sort. These are ideas that have been embedded in various prevalent cultural narratives that have existed for thousands of years. The fact that these ideas have been around a long time has nothing to do with them being possible, or even believable. You didn't make them up; however, as far as I can tell, they were made up. There has never been a convincing body of evidence for the literal existence of these things, and the majority of experiences attributed to them over the generations either cannot be established to have actually happened, can be answered with far more founded hypotheses, or can be directly explained by naturalistic means.

Therapy


You've been doing therapy? As in, you regularly talk with a therapist and you are working to process your experiences?

11 Months ago
galbraith

You didn't invent the idea of demons or ghosts or anything of the sort. These are ideas that have been embedded in various prevalent cultural narratives that have existed for thousands of years. The fact that these ideas have been around a long time has nothing to do with them being possible, or even believable. You didn't make them up; however, as far as I can tell, they were made up. There has never been a convincing body of evidence for the literal existence of these things, and the majority of experiences attributed to them over the generations either cannot be established to have actually happened, can be answered with far more founded hypotheses, or can be directly explained by naturalistic means.

My bad for misreading you then. I guess there's just nothing we can do to convince each other as far as possibilities in this regard are concerned.

You've been doing therapy? As in, you regularly talk with a therapist and you are working to process your experiences?

I've been regularly talking, but as I implied here and said in my textwall thread when I got back I don't want to talk about it much because I don't want to talk about it in detail. Annoying things are being gone over there and inevitably when that comes up someone is going to ask "what did you and you therapist talk about", not to mention, "my therapist said to do x" is a classic thing that seems manipulative or is manipulative from people in my position or similar and then usually x is something that seems stupid or worse and I don't want to potentially end up in that position on top of the other positions I'm in.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

Yeah, see I think you're totally fine. The "demons" if you will are simply you connecting with your inner self. You should totally open a healthy dialogue with them and comunicate desires and needs to them for the insight only such creatures can give.

11 Months ago
Elite

Yeah, see I think you're totally fine. The "demons" if you will are simply you connecting with your inner self. You should totally open a healthy dialogue with them and comunicate desires and needs to them for the insight only such creatures can give.

I'm not so bad off that I can't see through what you're doing here you know lol. At least I think that's what's going on.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

I've been regularly talking, but as I implied here and said in my textwall thread when I got back I don't want to talk about it much because I don't want to talk about it in detail. Annoying things are being gone over there and inevitably when that comes up someone is going to ask "what did you and you therapist talk about", not to mention, "my therapist said to do x" is a classic thing that seems manipulative or is manipulative from people in my position or similar and then usually x is something that seems stupid or worse and I don't want to potentially end up in that position on top of the other positions I'm in.


I don't want to know details. I only want to know that you are working with a professional to do something significant about your issues.

11 Months ago
galbraith

Therapy (again), seeking medical treatment (again


So with the therapy, why didn’t that work out? Did the therapist not understand what you were trying to tell them? What medication were you taking?

11 Months ago
Q2
 

Reminder to keep it civil.

Grey's entitled to his personal life, so I respect you not prying, Galbraith.

Just urging both of you to remember to stay nice. Don't want this thread crossing any lines.

EDIT:

Q2, you're toeing an even closer line.
Grey's "medications" or anything are none of your business.

Please don't let this thread turn condescending.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

loldoit

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11 Months ago
Learna

Q2, you're toeing an even closer line…Grey's "medications" or anything are none of your business.


I meant no condescending tone. I was legitimately just curious but you’re right it is none of my business.

11 Months ago
Q2
 

Grey's entitled to his personal life, so I respect you not prying, Galbraith.


I don't have much need to. I have talked to him extensively in private, though less so recently.

11 Months ago
galbraith

No problem!

Was just a friendly reminder for all parties.

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  • Should I
11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

I think if you do anything like this you shouldn’t go in free-form.

I suggest talking to loa, rather than demons, and do it supervised by a priest (houngan) and priestess (mambo?) of vodun (voodoo).
And preferably as a member of their congregation. (Hounfou or hounfor, I think?)
Your fundamentalist Abrahamic theists will see it as talking to demons, but it isn’t.

If you don’t like vodun, you might try Wicca.
Once again the exclusivist Abrahamic monotheists will think you’re talking to demons, but I don’t think that’s right.

…..

If you don’t do it in the context of some religion, supervised by their recognized clergy, and with the knowledge of some congregants, then I think you’re risking your sanity.

Talking to demons even these people would think are real demons is probably a really bad idea.

….. ….. ….. ….. …..

Maybe if you have a therapist they’re in a coven or whatever a congregation of Santeria or Vodun believers or devotees or practitioners is called? (A hounfour, I think?)
Or can recommend one?
If you live in a metropolis there’s probably a priest or priestess on the city’s payroll to occasionally handle religious detritus leftover from nobody knows what. Call your city government and ask!

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11 Months ago
chiarizio
 

Doing what now? I was just answering the question. Do it, we'll do it together. Satanic ritual and all.

Also, to second Learna. loldoit x2

11 Months ago
Elite

This thread is too long to read, and I'm not your psychiatrist, so I definitely recommend satanic rituals 😂

Best of luck!

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11 Months ago
Axem H2O

Once again the exclusivist Abrahamic monotheists will think you’re talking to demons, but I don’t think that’s right.

I've long agreed actually, hence why I put "demon" in quotes. I think whatever they are is more close to something neutral if not beyond personally. And that's what I had in mind going in when I did.

I think if you do anything like this you shouldn’t go in free-form.

Interestingly detailed post. Didn't expect that. Thanks actually. I've personally thought a more "free-form" approach is generally better in the past, but you may actually be onto something. Though it's not my style to not doing things alone. Though I feel like sanity is potentially risked regardless.

If you live in a metropolis there’s probably a priest or priestess on the city’s payroll to occasionally handle religious things leftover from nobody knows what. Call your city government and ask!

I also didn't know that... but I'd also feel weird calling and asking about shit related to this lol.

I'll take what you said into consideration though should I ever bother again. Which I don't consider likely, especially since everyone voting yes here seems to just be trolling or joking.

This thread is too long to read, and I'm not your psychiatrist, so I definitely recommend satanic rituals 😂

No rituals really. I mean I guess technically the first time I tried summoning technically it might have been, but it's not what you'd usually envision. Mostly just sigils and mind stuff.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

You've probably never communicated with demons or otherworldly beings because they probably aren't real and it is all in the mind. But even if you have, seems like a bad idea to do so again. Read a book, exercise, pick up a constructive hobby such as drawing, music or knitting. There are many more healthy, productive things to do in life than dicking around trying to talk to spirits. Even if they did exist and wanted you bothering them, I imagine they'd come to you.

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11 Months ago
pacman

I also didn't know that... but I'd also feel weird calling and asking about shit related to this lol.

Don’t let that stop you! If you want to be weird you should welcome feeling weird!

These houngans or whatchamacallems are sort of on retainer; the city doesn’t need them enough for them to make a living doing this public service. But the city knows how to get in touch with them.
My guess is the weirdness would come in going through the menu until you get a city employee who knows what you’re talking about.

OTOH maybe you could just use the Yellow Pages to look up Santeria and Vodun and Wicca.

11 Months ago
chiarizio
 



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11 Months ago
elemtilas
 



11 Months ago
galbraith

You might like to read my “Red Magic vs Green Magic” post from way on back.
https://gtforall.com/thread/red-magic-and-green-magic

11 Months ago
chiarizio
 

You might like to read my “Red Magic vs Green Magic” post from way on back.

Thanks. I'll read it when I'm a bit less out of it.

11 Months ago
Grey Echelon

@Grey Echelon:
Did you ever decide?
If you did, what was your decision?
If you decided to try “talking” to “demons”, how did it go? And what was the result?

9 Months ago
chiarizio
 

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