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Site Activity

Posted 11 Months ago by galbraith

Not so much a request as a question.

How do you plan to bring more activity to the site and when will these strategies be put into effect and what role does the community play in this?

There are 17 Replies


Hey, good question.

As of now, I’m glad that we’re two weeks in with minimal actual drama. I commend everyone here for responding to tough discussions respectfully and productively.

I made my shot with talking to potential mods that you all recommended, but only one hasn’t outright said no or not now, which I both understand and respect.
I’m happy to revisit this if there’s still any value in it.

Looking at the site, there are features I can still develop - avatars and other visible enhancements, but I don’t know how much adding features will actually do. I don’t think it fixes an activity problem because I don’t think it gets to the heart of the site’s core issue. The users are what make the site, not its features.

Denida and I have tried making threads to generate some discussion, but these get little traction. Historically, you and Grey have made really good threads that have generated a ton of discussion and replies. I’d like to see more of this.

Xhin has floated the idea of trying to probe other small, low-activity communities to see if people will join this site, but we cannot make moves on that without activity here, creating a chicken and the egg dilemma.

I guess I could ask you all:
Aside from the word “activity”, what would you like to see here?
I don’t know what I don’t know and I don’t know what would help keep conversations going, here. What would interest all of you? What sorts of forums, discussions, and features make an actual difference?

I still need to work on Jet’s blocked user bug. It seems like it could be complex, so we haven’t figured out exactly what to do with it, yet, sorry! But after that, I’m open to any requests that reflect user interest.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

GT was only active when we were teens because we were using it as an escape from the real world and threads of any title ended up being different or unique as far as the direction they went in. The biggest issue with current user activity in my opinion is that the site has essentially for a long time sustained itself by eating away at its own body with drama. I think the last time I saw moderate nondrama based positive activity here was back during stuff like everyone playing mafia and whatever else. It's just hard to make a early 2000's gaming/chat site interesting. I mean on discord theres vc movie nights and stuff you can do. But here it's like "Do I respond to grey getting attacked by demons or the women have it easier then men thread in hot takes" bad examples sure but a potentially accurate one.

This place needs something *fun* what is going to keep new users? The bland blue background?

11 Months ago
Elite

Rome wasn't built in a day, but I do think WO has done good so far, especially compared to how user interaction used to be.


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11 Months ago
Lord Denida

Throwing in my 2 cents.

Site activity has been discussed since even before ‘theoldgametalk’ and back on gametalk. For me, I quit GTX because of two reasons. 1, the toxic culture and 2, the end of Jedi Sith/RPG forum. The toxic culture I can see is being addressed but it won’t instantly bring people back. GT users will always swing by and if they see a fun positive community, they may stay a little longer. The 2nd issue is actually quite a big one. The roleplaying/story writing community was a massive part of GT activity and continued onto GTX. The reason it died however, was simply down to age. When I was rping on gametalk.com I was 11 years old or so. Some were older and a few younger. This means the core gametalk.com community are probably late twenties to late thirties with I’m sure many older. This has pretty much killed the RP community as we don’t have time to give up whole evenings posting messages back and forth.

In terms of solutions I’m not sure what it is. Perhaps bringing TGT back could be fun. I’m just not sure there is currently a good reason why a non GT user would ever want to use the site. But maybe this is the future of the site, a relic that will remain for users to swing on by once in a while.

11 Months ago
Clarkey forgot pass

Denida and I have tried making threads to generate some discussion, but these get little traction. Historically, you and Grey have made really good threads that have generated a ton of discussion and replies. I’d like to see more of this.


Seeing as how we're a couple of weeks in and the site has not summarily exploded, I suppose it could be worth writing a thread about something I actually care about.

I am hesitant to do so because of the same kind of chicken-and-egg situation as you face with approaching other communities. Because I don't want to write an essay here if there's no activity beyond you and Denny desperately trying to generate interaction, and I have not seen it demonstrated that y'all will handle Hot Takes-style posts with the moderating deftness that they will require.

It's also really, really a bad idea to bring Grey up to me in this context. Only the thinnest scrim of charity guards my tongue from criticizing your "fresh start" policy, and you citing him here does nothing to secure my confidence in the potential growth of this site.

Xhin has floated the idea of trying to probe other small, low-activity communities to see if people will join this site, but we cannot make moves on that without activity here, creating a chicken and the egg dilemma.


Looking at the site, there are features I can still develop - avatars and other visible enhancements, but I don’t know how much adding features will actually do. I don’t think it fixes an activity problem because I don’t think it gets to the heart of the site’s core issue. The users are what make the site, not its features.


These things did not appreciably grow the site when Xhin did them, and they are unlikely to do much better for you. If the trend of the site is against growth, you will not change that with technical details or attaching yourself to other communities.

(How many SMW Central people are here? How many CWBB people are here, besides the two that I know of?)

With that being said, I am interested in the advertising that you mentioned that you had planned. A bit of a broader net to pull in who is interested and let those who aren't ignore it might do well. I don't remember the details of the last advertising strategy that Xhin employed. There are reasonably cheap options for advertising in certain high-traffic places, as well.

Aside from the word “activity”, what would you like to see here?


Anything that makes it easier to write essays. More QoL formatting like maybe buttons for automatically italicizing/bolding/headering highlighted text, more robust draft saving (I don't remember if we have autosave at intervals, or if we have "oops"-saving in case we misclick away, both of which can be a huge lifesaver), improved post preview (i.e. one that doesn't escape the text box like it does currently, maybe live preview side-by-side with the raw text, etc.). My main method of content creation is writing a fat chunk of text, so these are the kind of things that I'm concerned about.

11 Months ago
galbraith

GT was only active when we were teens because we were using it as an escape from the real world and threads of any title ended up being different or unique as far as the direction they went in.


I think the last time I saw moderate nondrama based positive activity here was back during stuff like everyone playing mafia and whatever else. It's just hard to make a early 2000's gaming/chat site interesting.


Exactly. So it was a teenage hangout for roleplaying and commonalities, like gaming and other areas of interest, which most of us have "outgrown" to a degree? I don't know. I saw a number of people who came back here or reached out privately to say they don't do much gaming or "game-talking" anymore. So what do we want to become?

I mean on discord theres vc movie nights and stuff you can do


This place needs something *fun* what is going to keep new users? The bland blue background?


Movie nights are a good idea. But what else?
I'm scared to change the Blue/Black/Yellow scheme of GT, as that's historic branding, but I know it's also a bit dated. I wouldn't want to deviate too far from our shared history of this site and what it's felt and looked like, but I'm open to opinions on this. We can look to change it if it's something we all agree we're ready to part with.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but I do think WO has done good so far, especially compared to how user interaction used to be.


Thanks for the high praise and your support so far.

The roleplaying/story writing community was a massive part of GT activity and continued onto GTX. The reason it died however, was simply down to age. When I was rping on gametalk.com I was 11 years old or so. Some were older and a few younger. This means the core gametalk.com community are probably late twenties to late thirties with I’m sure many older. This has pretty much killed the RP community as we don’t have time to give up whole evenings posting messages back and forth.


Elite and I were talking about this earlier. With everyone here being adults, these activities are far less common. People have work, families, friends, and other commitments that take their time and focus away from posting back and forth on a message board all night. I fully agree that role playing and other playful banter activities we saw on GT-past like, Elite and I specifically cited the *sits in a tree* example. It was always unique, went in a different direction, and led to an influx of activity. We don't have that anymore. And our ages are a pretty good indicator of why.

And that's okay! We just need this place to lend itself more to activities, conversation topics, etc that are more friendly to users who are adults. I'm not sure I want to kill off the roleplaying forum, as it was a relic, and has always been a part of GT's history. Maybe new users will want it? I don't know. I'm not sure what we all want this place to be or become and maybe old traditions need to take a backseat for new things that appeal to this adult user group. I'm open to suggestions in that vein and appreciate you bringing this up (and contributing your two cents in general!)

Note: We have had two unique role playing-esque threads in the last three weeks, but they didn't go anywhere. I'm not overlooking the effort and interest, however. I just don't think it's anything like what it was.

In terms of solutions I’m not sure what it is. Perhaps bringing TGT back could be fun. I’m just not sure there is currently a good reason why a non GT user would ever want to use the site. But maybe this is the future of the site, a relic that will remain for users to swing on by once in a while.


I both recognize and dislike this.

I've spent a long time thinking about how this site will probably only ever appeal to former GT-users. I'm by no means in denial when I say "I hope we can change that" because I don't see a clear path forward to make this place appeal to non-GT users, but it'd be nice if we could breathe new life into this place and give it a second chance.

Seeing as how we're a couple of weeks in and the site has not summarily exploded, I suppose it could be worth writing a thread about something I actually care about.


Yeaaaah... it has imploded more than it's exploded. (For better or for worse...)

But I'd appreciate your contributions.

I am hesitant to do so because of the same kind of chicken-and-egg situation as you face with approaching other communities. Because I don't want to write an essay here if there's no activity beyond you and Denny desperately trying to generate interactionX


Yeah, fair. I figure a lot of people who are lurking might be feeling this way.
I'm trying not to make the topics or replies feel forced, but I feel like it's coming off that way because of the extreme amount of effort. It's frustrating not knowing what sort of vibe is being given off. Open to feedback on that one lol

I have not seen it demonstrated that y'all will handle Hot Takes-style posts with the moderating deftness that they will require.


Also a chicken and the egg concept for sure, but we'll do our best. You've seen (and indicated appreciation for) our responsiveness so far, but the decision to make the post and test our abilities is up to you. We want you to feel comfortable here on your own terms.

It's also really, really a bad idea to bring Grey up to me in this context. Only the thinnest scrim of charity guards my tongue from criticizing your "fresh start" policy, and you citing him here does nothing to secure my confidence in the potential growth of this site.


Also fair.
I only meant it in the strictest sense, meaning you two have generated the most activity, albeit in different ways with different types of posts for sure.

The fresh start policy ruffled a lot of feathers and I'm open to admitting that it might not have been the best move, but it was the only thing that seemed "fair" at the time; letting people live and die by their own choices going forward. A huge part of that was my lack of involvement in prior situations and drama, and not knowing the full history of everyone's experiences, so I needed a baseline, I suppose. I'm open to hearing your critique of the policy, however. I'd be open to feedback on this and any decisions I / we make here. Accountability and all.

These things did not appreciably grow the site when Xhin did them, and they are unlikely to do much better for you. If the trend of the site is against growth, you will not change that with technical details or attaching yourself to other communities.


AGREE! One reason I haven't jumped at feature dev is because I saw the last month or two of GTX0... tons of features were being developed, but very few of them actually contributed to the liveliness of the site. The semi-revival of My Cards was the biggest hit (which is why the idea of Avatars is stuck in my mind), but I'd rather kind of wait for this place to take some sort of direction before working on too many features, but maybe this is another of those chicken and the egg situations...?

(How many SMW Central people are here? How many CWBB people are here, besides the two that I know of?)


Right? I noticed this too, and it hints back to what Clarkey said - what people, outside of GT people, would really care about this place and staying here? Maybe a few here and there, but not many.

With that being said, I am interested in the advertising that you mentioned that you had planned. A bit of a broader net to pull in who is interested and let those who aren't ignore it might do well. I don't remember the details of the last advertising strategy that Xhin employed. There are reasonably cheap options for advertising in certain high-traffic places, as well.


Agree. We need a hook here, though, in the form of some activity.
I don't think we're gonna be able to pull people in with this site looking dead, which I think is why I'm leaning on the community a bit (and hoping you'll feel contributing some of your ideas and posts).

Anything that makes it easier to write essays. More QoL formatting like maybe buttons for automatically italicizing/bolding/headering highlighted text, more robust draft saving (I don't remember if we have autosave at intervals, or if we have "oops"-saving in case we misclick away, both of which can be a huge lifesaver), improved post preview (i.e. one that doesn't escape the text box like it does currently, maybe live preview side-by-side with the raw text, etc.). My main method of content creation is writing a fat chunk of text, so these are the kind of things that I'm concerned about.


Excellent feedback! I've been telling Denida for months that GT needs more of a rich text editor or something that makes it easier to write posts. I'm tired of copying and pasting my longer posts from word, and then coming into the editor to make sure all the bolds and color indicators are there hahah

I know saving drafts works if you nav away and hit back, but yeah, a "smarter" auto-save and better persistence would be great. I'll see what we can do in this realm. I think it'd improve quality of life here drastically. Thank you so much for this suggestion.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

I wouldn't want to deviate too far from our shared history of this site and what it's felt and looked like, but I'm open to opinions on this. We can look to change it if it's something we all agree we're ready to part with.


If the overall color scheme of GT is to change, it needs to be optional. I do not consistently use websites unless they have a dark mode, period. Light text on dark background is how I set up all my personal text editors, and I keep it dark in my house for a reason. I already deal with periods of significant eye strain.

11 Months ago
galbraith

If the overall color scheme of GT is to change, it needs to be optional. I do not consistently use websites unless they have a dark mode, period. Light text on dark background is how I set up all my personal text editors, and I keep it dark in my house for a reason. I already deal with periods of significant eye strain.


Oh for sure. Dark mode is my schema of choice everywhere, too.

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11 Months ago
Weird Occurance

In order to effectively evolve the site, you have to look at what kinds of sites are popular with this generations younger people, and find a way to implement them into our existing structure.

I find that much of what people are into these days is live recording and streaming. They all like YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, etc, and those communities seem to flourish around a group of related streamers/vloggers who occasionally colaborate.

I thought Xhin was on the right track with integrating Twitch streaming, but he kind of abandoned that. I think Hitbox was still a thing at the time, and he was intimidated by trying to get both sites able to embed here.

Also, one thing that I have ALWAYS encouraged, but Xhin didn't like, is more polished profiles for people who elect to register. The card things are great, but some people like to have a personal page they can use to build an identity for themselves.

10 Months ago
Aurelian
Fire Lion
Thunder Lion

In order to effectively evolve the site, you have to look at what kinds of sites are popular with this generations younger people, and find a way to implement them into our existing structure.


I find that much of what people are into these days is live recording and streaming. They all like YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, etc, and those communities seem to flourish around a group of related streamers/vloggers who occasionally colaborate.


Agree, thanks! I was trying to figure out what we can do with this. I know we can embed Twitch and Youtube, now, but I'm not sure what the next step is to integrate further. I was going to make a thread asking people about their favorite streamers, vloggers, youtube channels, etc, but didn't get around to it, yet.

Also, one thing that I have ALWAYS encouraged, but Xhin didn't like, is more polished profiles for people who elect to register. The card things are great, but some people like to have a personal page they can use to build an identity for themselves.


I like this idea a lot and see a good tie-in with this and avatars.

Might allow people to provide some contact information (discords, etc) at will, list their alt usernames (if they want to share), favorite forums, hobbies, etc

I largely like the anonymity that's always been part and parcel of the GT experience.
But for people who want to invent an identity for themselves here, whether it's presenting one's IRL-self or a preferred RP-identity, I love it.

Thanks for the suggestion!

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10 Months ago
Weird Occurance

I think Hitbox was still a thing at the time, and he was intimidated by trying to get both sites able to embed here.


Both hitbox and twitch worked, along with some other platforms (stream.up, beam.pro):
https://gtforall.com/thread/the-stream-feature
Also, one thing that I have ALWAYS encouraged, but Xhin didn't like, is more polished profiles for people who elect to register. The card things are great, but some people like to have a personal page they can use to build an identity for themselves.


GTX0 also had a profiles feature:
https://gtforall.com/thread/user-profiles-feature

10 Months ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

I support the profiles/bio/etc. idea, especially since it will be very useful for denoting pronouns.

10 Months ago
galbraith

I support the profiles/bio/etc. idea, especially since it will be very useful for denoting pronouns.


Good point!

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10 Months ago
Weird Occurance

@Weird Occurance:
Speaking of pronouns, do we get to pick second-person pronouns too?

10 Months ago
chiarizio
 

Speaking of pronouns, do we get to pick second-person pronouns too?


Like what? Something other than "you"? lol

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10 Months ago
Weird Occurance

Like what? Something other than "you"? lol


Yes.
My third-person pronouns are His Excellency and His Imperial Majesty.
But I’ll accept the acronyms, HE and HIM.

I’d like my second-person pronoun to be Your Outstanding Unsurpassedness.

Whattaya think?

10 Months ago
chiarizio
 

Whattaya think?


I already know a Finnish rock band called HIM and their music is a touch on the Satanic side, but hey, if you're cool with that, so am I. :D

I'm in full support of these pronouns.

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10 Months ago
Weird Occurance

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