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Well without getting into the donald trump vortex, from what I've read of this report it's absolutely disgusting, makes a certain amount of sense (the "kidnapping" was way too well-coordinated) and reveals the media for also being somewhat culpable for pushing a narrative (which isn't exactly news -- I've known for at least 13 years that CNN is the mouthpiece of letter-agency agendas).

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

Look into J Edgar Hoover and the founding of the FBI, and you'll quickly learn that the FBI was never your friend or any sort of respectable institution. Generally speaking, they're a bunch of corrupt scumbags serving the interests of the American elite. They are little different than the KGB.

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Haven't heard about it. The ADL annoys me though.

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Looks like more fearmongering about censorship of conservatives. While I hate the ADL and no one should team with them, corporate America has no qualms about censoring the left if it is out of line with their paradigm of acceptability. It simply is not a left-right thing. That notion is a popular talking point of right wing propagandists in an effort to promote this idea that conservatives are free speech heroes which, historically, they very much are NOT.

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Idk, DeSantis's anti-protest law has me as worried about free speech as anything, except maybe Trump's anti-BDS brigade for public workers.

Over 1 Year ago
pacman

But yes I do fear liberals resorting to illiberal measures in the name of combating both left and right wing threats to the existing order, though if I am being honest I prefer the neoliberal order, terrible as it is in many ways, to a potential neo-fascist one. I am more of a left-libertarian populist than anything if you had to label me. I think free speech should be preserved and our democratic mechanisms ought to be expanded even further to make us even more of a direct democracy. On top of that I think workplaces and the entire economy should be more fair and democratic.

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corporate America has no qualms about censoring the left if it is out of line with their paradigm of acceptability. It simply is not a left-right thing.


Yeah agreed - there was a gigantic facebook social media purge in 2020 that wiped out a lot of right-leaning/qanon/etc groups but also a lot of leftist groups.

don't you find it troubling that under this administration, which has been increasingly trying to silence free speech, that the ADL is teaming up with Paypal (and big tech) to silence opinions they don't like?


What the ADL/paypal was doing would make sense if they had any objective measure of "hate movements" -- their definition of "anti-semitism" for example, is broad enough to include any criticism of israel.

though if I am being honest I prefer the neoliberal order, terrible as it is in many ways, to a potential neo-fascist one.


I think it would depend on the variety of neo-"fascism" for me -- right-leaning nationalism that lacked the "regimented social order" and racial undertones of neo-fascism would be preferable to neoliberalism, however either one of those variants would be a dealbreaker.

I worry that the drive to shut down anything not conducive to the neoliberal order will lead to actual fascism.

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
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It is pretty terrifying and one of the few things that matches the phrase "Orwellian" -- Big Tech corporate fascism can be just as oppressive as the real thing. I do think it's wise though to draw a line between actual acts of it (like the coordinated takedown of parler) and actions that seem pretty reasonable anywhere outside of conservative news sites. To do otherwise is to fall into the same exact trap that causes censorship in the first place - anything is reasonable when the world is unreasonable.

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Xhin
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I don't know why you're afraid of fascism.


I'd prefer to avoid a situation where I have to decide whether I like my own freedom or the lives of minorities more. I'd also realistically end up as one of the minorities. I dislike state/party-run communism for similar reasons.

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Xhin
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Fascism isn't Nazism.


No, but historically fascist states have forcibly suppressed opposition and heavily curtailed the rights (or sometimes lives) of minorities.

At worst, homosexuals would be forced back into the closet


That's pretty bad.

You wouldn't have rampant obesity like you do now.


Not even going to touch that one.

Over 1 Year ago
Xhin
Sky's the limit

Look into J Edgar Hoover and the founding of the FBI, and you'll quickly learn that the FBI was never your friend or any sort of respectable institution


He was if you were white and conservative! But if you were even vaguely sympathetic to the left, or especially if you were black, yeah. Dude was fucking atrocious.

Over 1 Year ago
Jet Presto

I think my general take on "Big Tech censorship" is lot less dramatic in that if you get kicked off or banned from Twitter or Facebook, I don't really see that as "censorship." In the same way I can't wear just whatever shirt I want to work, or I might lose my job, these apps don't have to guarantee everyone has access to it. The right to free speech does not mean a right to the same platforms. And if the worst thing that happens is you have to shout your political opinions on a street corner or at the family Thanksgiving, or just send a bunch of e-mails to people, I dunno, that's kinda how free speech works. When Big Tech starts being able to imprison you or fine you, then I'll agree fully that's unconstitutional censorship and, well, when we're at that point, the constitution probably is irrelevant anyway (not like it's ever truly been relevant or actually mattered.)

But I dunno, I guess I just don't see being able to anonymously shout your opinions at other anonymous strangers on the internet as "censorship." And the First Amendment has only ever applied to the State. And I don't know that I agree philosophically with the idea that everyone has equal claim or right to the same platforms as everyone else, so I dunno.

But I do also do understand the innate concern over who is ultimately making these decisions.

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