@Q:
Yeah, but I knew Lorca was up to something since like the 4th or 5th episode when they captured the Tardigrade and was ok with continuously using it to power their spore drive instead of finding another solution.
Oh I mean yea they made it obvious, and then there was the line from the Admiral where she said he was like a completely different man and that was my moment where I went "He's from the mirror universe!". So I was expecting it to be in the story on some level.
Though I did find it a bit of a shame that they glossed over the Klingon-Federation war story to make it happen. Almost feels like it should've been hinted at in Season 1 and then been the focus of Season 2.
Season 2 started off strong but then forgot what they were going for. How did the 7 red signs appear before they started appearing in sequential order? And how did Captain Pike literall stand on the opposite side of a door of a room that had a freakin photon torpedo and just watch it go off? If a blast door can protect you from that then they should make all of thier ships out of whatever that door was made of.
Season's 1 and 2 suffered from alot of fast and loose writing that was sloppy. But what saves the show for me are all the characters around Burnham. When they take the focus off of the stupid war and tell the character's stories, that's when it gets good. When Tyler killed Dr Culber I really felt sad for Stamets' loss. Saru is a great character and Tilly is just wonderful. I love how they call her Killy in the mirror universe. Apparently the data the AI was after merged with the Discovery's computer and became sentient, but they have barely explored that in Season 3.
Yea that's what I mean about Season 2, it's like they were going one way and then suddenly out of the blue it's a different story and all the themes they've been exploring throughout the season don't really tie in to where it ends up.
The other thing that bugged me was how Section 31 was common knowledge (think the reboot movies made this error too). The whole point of Section 31 when they were added to DS9 was the federation had plausible deniability. No one officially knew they existed, and those who did know were very top rank people who kept it to themselves. Yet in Discovery they're common knowledge, literally everyone knows about them.
Pretty sure Pike's blast door became a meme for a while, I certainly remember people saying exactly what you just did lol. For me that was just one of those moments where I was more invested in the emotion/characters so I didn't pay too much attention to the believability, so it didn't bug me at the time. It's only after everyone pointed it out that I gave it any attention and I still just shrug it off because it's not important to what's going on in the scene :P
And yes, I was saying to a friendly recently how much better the show is when it stops trying to be the Michael Burnham show. She's a really uninteresting character to me and to be honest I don't think the writers had a lot of faith in her either, otherwise they wouldn't have given her a special trait as Spock's brother. She's well acted for what she's given though, I just don't think the character is that good. I've always been more invested in the other characters. Saru finally becoming captain and doing a damn fine job at it, Tilly's slow development to being a more capable and confident person, Staments losing the love of his life and having to deal with that.
Apparently the data the AI was after merged with the Discovery's computer and became sentient, but they have barely explored that in Season 3.
There's a Short Trek episode about the ship abandoned in the future (ironically it used the old ship model as they produced it prior to Season 2) and it is inhabited by a sentient AI that runs the ship. I haven't seen it but many consider it one of the best episodes of Discovery (or related to discovery). They got in the same voice actress in Season 3 for a brief moment when the computer was talking to Saru, so I believe the show will head in that direction. It may just be that they're leaving it as a slower story for the background.
1: Why were/are they still using Dilithium to power their warp drive, and why are they still using warp drive? In ST Voyager, they experimented with a couple new ways to travel faster than Warp 9.99 and were powered by other means. The burn happened 120 years prior to Discovery's arrival in the future, meaning that for 800+ years they never decided to look at Voyager's experiments and try to improve them. Or power their ship the same way the Romulans do with artificial black holes. Remember, we find out that Vulcans and Romulans are now living together and gave Burnham their research on why dilithium suddenly exploded so why couldn't the Romulans share their warp drive technology? Who knows, maybe we will find out as Season 3 progresses.
I could be wrong but I feel like I remember episodes of TNG era shows (perhaps more Voyager than anything else?) where they had to shut down the warp core for whatever reason and the entire ship goes into a low power mode. So my assumption has always been that the warp core is powering the whole ship and not just the warp drive (though they cleary have an alternative power source for impulse speeds). So it's possible that they were still using warp cores, which rely on dilithium, but making use of a newer form of FTL travel (or they science'd their way to warp 10 and above without becoming lizards and impregnating the captain). Overall dunno, you're right though Voyager experimented with loads of FTL methods and you'd think in the time it's been between Voyager and this season that some of that would've been put to use. I also find it a bit weird that in 900 years no one else has come up with the idea of the spore drive. I get the idea of super intelligent individuals are often at the head of progress in science, but generally speaking I think it's a bit far fetched to assume in 900 years an entire galaxy of people didn't have the same idea.
The lack of other FLT methods also means they now either need to come up with a nonsense excuse for not retrofitting spore drives onto everything, or have to actually go ahead and do that which has massive implications for storytelling if everyone can just teleport everywhere.
This isn't really a plot whole, just a couple moments of 'WHY?' Why did the Federation decide to refit a 1000 year old ship? I can see if it was 100, maybe 200 years old. But 1000? Remember in DS9 when the Dominion war kicked off and all the older ships were getting destroyed like they were nothing? Those ships were around 80-100 years old and refitted with the most modern federation tech at the time. You can only refit a ship so much before it just needs to be replaced. And then they gave it the letter A identifier after the registry number. Now, prior to this, the letter identifier was only given to a different ship of the same name, not a refit of the same ship. In the Original Star Trek movies, the Enterprise didn't get the A identifier until after Kirk blew it up to keep the Klingons from capturing it and it was replaced with another COnstition class ship.
Made no sense to me that they would do it that way either, especially as the refit basically made it a complete new ship anyway. They would've been better off just saying they'd made a new Discovery but opted to keep the internal look the same. Dunno, maybe they just shrug it off as the newer tech is so much better that they can easily refit anything and no longer need to scrap old ships.
Other than those 2 complaints, I like Season 3 the most so far. I just wish they would hurry up with the burn story line, as we are 5 episodes away from the end of this season.
Yea this story is on a slow burn ;)
Strikes me as they're going to reveal something from the burn (eg, a race we used to consider friendly was behind it) and that'll shape the final story arc of the season, similar to the structure of Season 2 where a revelation shaped the final arc.
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@Jet Presto:
I don't really like feeling like I need to do homework to really get what they're talking about. I'm not saying the Mandalorian has been bad at this. I guess Operation Cinder was from Battlefront II's campaign or something? But it's done in a way that you don't really *need* to know about that to get the gist of that conversation with Bill Burr and Colonel Southern Gent. But I felt like there was a *lot* to the Ahsoka episode that I just was like...I have a passing knowledge of who this character is, and everything else feels like an inside reference. Like, that one kinda felt to me like they were kinda banking on me knowing more about her ahead of time. So I was like, "Why is she here? What is she really after? Why is she after this person?" And the episode doesn't really explain it all. And then it ends with a name that I only kinda know but it was clearly presented as like an "oh shit!" moment.
So I don't think the show's been bad at it overall. And I'm all for Easter eggs, generally. There have been a few moments or an episode or two where I felt they were definitely not great about it, but overall the show has been fine. I just don't like things that get too heavy in lore to drive the moments. I don't wanna have to read a bunch of books or watch a bunch of other shows to really appreciate why "Where is Thrawn?" is a big "oh shit" moment, ya know?
I find that sort of interesting because you're usually the loudest voice when it comes to the whole not needing to know about every minute detail like the old EU did (an opinion I agree with I'll note).
To me the only things you need to know about Ahsoka were in the episode. Everything else is extra detail that benefits someone like myself who has watched the previous shows and read books. Knowing that she's looking for a Jedi called Ezra, doesn't add anything to that episode. Knowing that she was Anakin's Padawan adds more weight to her line about even the best of the Jedi being corruptible but isn't essential for the audience to understand her point. Knowing that the owl-like creature they cameo'd into a few scenes is relevant to her isn't require knowledge. Beyond that pretty much every about this episode was new story for the character, the woman in-charge of the castle/fort was new. The man she'd hired was new. The plane was new I think? Don't think I'd ever seen those droids before either (though apparently they have the insignia for Thrawn's fleet on their heads which I didn't notice).
Ultimately it's not her story too so they can't waste too much time talking about her, but by the end of it you do learn what's she after and I genuinely believe they would not name drop Thrawn in this show if they did not intend for this show to payoff on it. I suspect we'll be seeing Thrawn either in the finale as a teaser, or sometime during Season 3. Also given the announced plans for an Ahsoka and New Republic show that'll crossover with Mandalorian, I suspect the intention is for Thrawn to serve as the "big bad" that ties the shows together.
I felt the episode works really well as she's just a random Jedi with her own things going on. During the episode my Dad, who only watched the movies and this show, only had two comments that my extra Star Wars knowledge already knew. It was his first time learning that beskar can block lightsabers and he asked if I thought Thrawn was going to be Moff Gideon's boss- so he clearly read the scene as setup for a future character not realising it was an established one. His lack of knowledge about Ahsoka didn't seem to be an issue, he just thought she was another Jedi.
If I'm honest I think you're possibly reading into it all too much because you know there are more details about the character, which yes there are but almost all of it doesn't matter in the context of that episode. If you were completely oblivious to her existence do you think you would have felt the same about it?
As I noted, the only instance for me that I felt they handled it poorly was with the Mandalorians in the Bo-Katan episode. Not enough time was set aside for discussing the differences between his cult and the regular Mandos, to the point that I suspect casual viewers still probably view his Mandos are the "real" ones and Bo-Katan's as "fake" Mandos. Though thinking about it maybe that was the intent, keep the viewer on Mando's perspective until (if) he changes it.